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Posted by Jason @ 2:14 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

MacMahon, you just look childish and petty by continuing to hold this grudge against Roy Williams. So he doesn't like to talk to the media? Waaah he is a jerk.

I am not defending Roy Williams' play, only his right to privacy without being castigated for it.

Jason

Posted by Bob @ 2:16 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

I did see #31 coming attempting to come in late a couple of times on Burress long receptions. Does anyone know if he was supposed to have deep coverage, or was just trying to help out the other guy? Reeves needs to learn to not play off his guy so much when they are defending the in the red zone.

Posted by mattyinnj @ 2:17 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Well Roy, I understand that it isn't fair to be blamed for things that aren't specifically your fault. But if you want to be paid the big bucks you have to learn that you will be held to a different standard and your performance will always be put under a microscope. We are the same people who vote your sorry butt into the Pro Bowl every year and undoubtedly make you a 6 figure bonus for each trip you make to a game where you play too hard and give people cheap shots in what's supposed to be a fun exhibition. I'm not in a position to say whether or not you blew 1 or 2 or 10 plays or not, but I DO know that your name was never mentioned making any game altering plays. And I DO know that at the end of the game when they had you close to the line, where you are supposedly a beast, that you were swallowed like a piece of poundcake by the Giants O-line - especially on NY's final TD drive. You don't endear anyone to your cause by avoiding the media.

I seem to remember a guy who used to play for the Cowboys...wore #28...can't remember his name...but I DO remember that he was an incredible teammate, a guy who always spoke to the media even after a big loss, and even took the blame for OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES just because he knew what it was to be a leader.

Posted by steve @ 2:20 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Just wish we had someone to stop the continuous barage of 20+ pass plays!!!

Posted by scott @ 2:20 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

I used to be a big roy williams fan when he used to knock the #$@%#@ out of recievers coming over the middles and stopping running backs in the backfield. Lately, what is the deal with theis guy?? No blitzing ability, absolutely no coverage skills, I am thinking we should play keith davis or watkins to FS and move hamlin to SS.

Posted by Vandalous @ 2:22 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Wow - take things out of context much, TM? Phillips said that he was not going to comment on any player's performance and used "This guy played bad," as an example. You manage to turn it into a damning statement against Roy Williams. And media people wonder why players don't like to talk to them?

Let's mix in some objective reporting next time.

Posted by Bill in DC @ 2:28 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Tim,

I don't accpet your interpretation of Phillip's comment. I think he meant "You're not going to get me to comment on my players and say, 'This guy played bad', just because you want me too."

It's good leadership to praise in public, chastise in private. I think Phillips has the right approach, not calling his players out in public. the media (and the fans)is/are not entitled to know if Phillips or the coaching staff think an individual player played badly or not.

Posted by don @ 2:32 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Vandalous,
you said it.
Tim, we listen to the interviews too. They're posted on the DC.com website. How exactly did you derive WP calling out his strong safety over what was said in the interview? He specifically said "I'm not going to do that." Yet you still put words in his mouth. He sits there and answers your questions as best he can and you pull that on him?

Posted by Habib @ 2:34 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Roy needs to be gone.He is just awful and makes me wonder why Jerry gave him all that money.

Posted by larry giusti @ 2:35 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

"How did Roy Williams play?". Uh, you're joking, right?

Posted by John @ 2:36 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Well, he didn't get a game ball from the coach, but neither did any of our #1 draft choices...

These guys need to get better.

Posted by Larry @ 2:37 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

The boys need to get off the pot and fix a few things Mr. Fix-it, starting with Roy Williams.

Bloggers are right, Watkins and Hamlin should be the starting safeties and Roy should be on the bench until and uless he can show in practice that he deserves to be out there.

Fix it Mr. Fix-it. Roy is even worse than last year and I didnt think that was possible.

But it doesnt end with Roy. Guy are out there who can improve the deficit at nose tackle, cornerback, and receiver(if Terry isn't coming back)

Mr. Fix-it and Mr. General Manager, get off the pot and get active in the Market.

Posted by Mark @ 2:38 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Last night, Roy successfully defended his title as most over-rated defensive player in the league. It's obvious that he is lost out there...

Posted by SRVBob @ 2:39 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Uh, Timmy, do you actually read what you write? Look at what Wade Phillips said. He said, "You're not going to get me to comment on my players and say, 'This guy played bad.'" He didn't say he wasn't going to comment on the team's overall performance, he's just not going to play the media game of singling one guy out to throw under the bus. You said he declined to be specific about who was responsible for the blown coverages, so what's the deal with the little admonition at the end?

Posted by Steven K. @ 2:41 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Uh, Tim, no he didn't.

Posted by Walter @ 2:41 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Check out the Box score on nfl.com. Look at the defense stats and see who is on top!

Posted by Markipoo @ 2:42 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

I was yelling at the TV all night. "Cmon Roy you useless sack o s%^&!". What does this guy get paid to do? Granted he did have the most tackles, but he looked terrible. I hope they open it up a little come Newman getting back.

Posted by gpaq @ 2:45 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

I thought Hamlin was the deep guy & Roy was going to be up at the line of scrimmage "doing what he does best". What happened to that?

Posted by JT @ 2:56 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

TM - you are a hater. There is no other explanation. To TM and all you other Roy haters, name one Strong Safety, emphasis on Strong Safety, not named Adrian Wilson or Darren Sharper who you would rather have than Roy Williams in the NFC. Name one, quit saying he needs to be gone, but you have no answer for a replacement. Type in the name, and then think about what you just wrote. Strong Safety - NFC. There is a reason why Roy is a Pro Bowler every year, because SS is a hard position to play, and the reason why Ed Reed, Wilson and a few others are considered better is because they have corners and a FS who arent 2nd day draft picks and undrafted free agents.

Posted by shahab @ 2:57 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

roy willaims may be the most over-rated player in the nfl. a pro-bowler? are you kidding me? he is big hitter and that's it. his style of play is to bring the hammer every time and that's even hurt us a few times. in the past couple of years, more and more cowboys defendersare playing that way instead of wraping up and making the tackle. and his pass coverage abilities are a total joke. like madden said last night, he has no sense for the ball when it's in the air.

Posted by Rob @ 3:01 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

This is not about the defensive meltdown on display against the giants (lower-case) but goes back to a trend on display for the past few seasons. John Madden finally summed it up when he said, Roy Williams is not very good at adjusting to the ball in flight....Uhhhhh, you think??? (that effort in the endzone was deplorable at best). Ok, so that is evident and continues to cost the Cowboys big play after big play. Couple that with the high number of missed tackles he spares out on each week. It is unbelievable that as well documented as this is, he continues to tackle with his body only...rarely wrapping up with his arms. I sincerely think the defense would be better off if Anthony Henry would slide over to safety (along with Hamlin) and Newman and Reeves could man the corners. Of course, Newman needs to be healthy for this to happen. However, even with Newman in there, Williams is a liability. Wade has got to do something to shake up the lineup. I also think it would send a message that noone's job is safe. I'm sure you will hold the "Cowboy line" defending Williams but I gave him an extra year of loyalty because I'm from Oklahoma. That loyalty has officially expired and that dude is overhyped and overrated.

Posted by PaulC @ 3:07 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Habib, Jerry paid 'em because Jerry was spazzing out in one of his "football guy" moments. Roy has two really, really big hits in his career. The first one all but finished the career of Emmitt Smith, when he came back to Texas Stadium as a Cardinal, and may have kept Emmitt from reaching 20,000 yeards. His other big "hit" was the horse collar tackle of T.O. Let's see: Roy cut short the career of perhaps one of the best four or five Cowboys, ever, in Emmitt. And he tried to cripple the guy who eventually came to Dallas and has turned into our biggest TD threat. Thanks, Roy. Whatchagonnadonext? Dislocate Romo's passing arm after you miss another tackle along the sideline and plow into your own bench?

Posted by JT @ 3:33 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Im still surprised all you Roy haters cant come up with another SS in the NFC who is better... besides Adrian Wilson and Darren Sharper... If a team said I will trade you straight up for Roy Williams with our guy.. who in the NFL would you trade him for, besides the obvious-- Wilson, Sharper, Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, and John Lynch. Who? Will you just live with the fact we dont have the best SS in the league but I will take #6 or 7 all day every day.. who would you replace him with? I cant wait to hear from you.

Posted by Mike Z @ 3:35 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Does anyone like this idea. We go back to the 4-3 defense. Move spears inside with Ratliff. Canty and Hatcher on the outsides. Trade Ayodele in a package with Roy Williams and maybe a draft pick for another DB. Move Hamlin over to SS and Watkins at FS.

Any other ideas to patch up this deadful "D".

By the way, Im a Spurs fan. Love the boys but it looks like the Boys are getting a bit of the Mavericks in 'em.
ex. No D in Dallas

THis means that their are now the "allas Cowboys"

Posted by Robert @ 3:51 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

JT, there is no worst safety in football in coverage. I would take anyone else in coverage.

And to all the fans who defend his play and talk about big hits --- I can not remember one hit in coverage where Roy dislodged the ball. I can not remember one pass defense.

I do remember seeing Roy engulfed and pushed around by blockers when he is practicing his "skillz" near the line of scrimmage.

Roy Williams is the Dave Kingman of Pro Football.

Posted by Sam @ 3:51 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Tim
Add me to the list of bloggers who are saying that you took Wade's comments out of context. Please end this beef with Roy Williams. You are a better journalist than that. Or at least I hope so. I am not saying that Roy Williams is always in position, but a safety is supposed to help out and it may not always look pretty. For example, The first TD was Henry's fault and not Roy's. Would you rather Roy not attempt to chase Plex down?

Posted by Izzy @ 3:58 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

I believe the Cowboys will not win a Super Bowl with Croy Baby at safety.

That being said, if he's leading the team in tackles it means others around him are not doing their job. It means pass rushers are giving the QB too much time, and it means the front 7 isn't stopping the run. That defensive debacle was NOT all Roy's fault.

THAT being said, you had to figure on the first NY TD that there was supposed to be a safety playing over the top of Henry, since Henry was lined up right at scrimmage playing bump-n-run. And who do we see giving "help" when Burres (inevetably) ran by Henry? Well, no one, but 3 seconds late #31 comes into the picture. But since I don't understand schemes maybe Hamlin was supposed to be there and Roy was just hustling back so that's why he ended up in the picture. Or maybe Henry missed the call and was supposed to be giving up a cusion.

THAT being said, it wasn't a scheme or blown coverage that caused Burress's last TD. Perfect call with Reeves and Roy doubling up Burress. Except Roy just "jumped" about an inch and a quarter off the ground. Less of a jump, more of his legs just going up in the air with his torso not moving at all. So maybe Roy was right all along--we keep blaming blown coverages, when maybe he knows exactly what to do but just isn't talented enough to do it...

Posted by Robert @ 4:01 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

D patch up plan....

Spears to NT. Hatcher and Canty to DE. Ratliff and Bowen as backups

Carpenter to WOLB and Ware to SOLB. Spencer Pass Rusher at WOLB.

Ayodele and Burnett to ILB. Bradie to backup Ayodele. Roy W to back-up Burnett on 3rd and 25.

Corners the same. Watkins to SS and Hamlin to FS.

More speed and better coverage skills.....

Carp faster than Spencer
Burnett faster than Bradie
Spears faster than Ferguson
Hatcher faster than Spears as DE
Watkins faster than Roy Williams

Posted by Robert @ 4:05 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Tim's only beef with Roy Williams is that he is a nice bench player and special teams wedge buster.... not a guy who deserves United Way spots or trips to Hawaii.

Posted by Jody @ 4:06 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

I have questioned for two years if RW does not know his coverage responsibilty or if he just can't do it. If he would get into the right place at the right time, his ball skills or lack thereof would not be so exposed. He is becoming an undersized linebacker and that is all.

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 4:15 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Uh, no he didn't. That's just what you want to take from it, Tim. Can we dispense with the lazy journalism disguised as blog fodder, please?

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 4:20 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

"Bloggers are right, Watkins and Hamlin should be the starting safeties and Roy should be on the bench until and uless he can show in practice that he deserves to be out there."

Well how did he look last week in practice, coach Larry? Did you notice in last week's practice that Pat Watkins is a backup free safety, Coach Larry?

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 4:26 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

"Habib, Jerry paid 'em because Jerry was spazzing out in one of his "football guy" moments. Roy has two really, really big hits in his career. The first one all but finished the career of Emmitt Smith, when he came back to Texas Stadium as a Cardinal, and may have kept Emmitt from reaching 20,000 yeards"

Yeah, he should have known better. Didn't RW know that the proper thing to do was sashay left and let Emmitt run on through?

"And he tried to cripple the guy who eventually came to Dallas and has turned into our biggest TD threat. Thanks, Roy."

TO seems to be over it. Do you think you may be able to move beyond it someday?

"Whatchagonnadonext? Dislocate Romo's passing arm after you miss another tackle along the sideline and plow into your own bench?"

You realize that Romo is his teammate, right? No wonder people think Texans are stupid.

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 4:27 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

"And to all the fans who defend his play and talk about big hits --- I can not remember one hit in coverage where Roy dislodged the ball. I can not remember one pass defense."

Lay off the drugs, son! You might be able to remember something!

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 4:28 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

"Any other ideas to patch up this deadful "D"."

Yeah, don't take stupid suggestions from idiot bloggers.

Posted by gary m @ 4:28 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

roy was pretty good his rookie year because woodson was so good vs the slot and playing deep...until a true free safety is either developed, hamlin improves, and/or newman gets back, the deep spots will be there all day...that is an enormous concern when there's no pressure from the front seven.

Posted by mattyinnj @ 4:30 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

JT: I agree that SS is a tough spot. I also agree that I would much rather have AW / DS / all the others you mentioned than Roy Williams. MY assertion is that we would be much better off with a player of considerably less overall talent given that he be a better player in space. Roy Williams is a luxury at best, antiquated and unreliable at worst. For the amount of money that he makes I would rather a 2nd tier player, even a FS playing out of position, than have Williams CONSTANTLY being burned and killing the morale of the whole defense. Moreover it is becoming more obvious that Williams doesn't display the sort of vocal leadership, be it on the field or in the media, that one would expect from a high-profile, highly paid player like himself. Highlight reel hits are great for Jacked Up but I'd trade all of them for peace of mind when I see a 5 step drop. He played in a high profile spot at a high profile college, became a high pick and simply doesn't produce the kind of on-field results that his paycheck and reputation put forth. But I don't hate on Roy for getting the big contract; I hate Mr. Jones for giving it to him. If Roy Williams was a stock or an oil field does Mr. Jones pay that much money for him? I doubt those kind of deals made him a billionaire.

Posted by larry giusti @ 4:32 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

JT, or should I say, JJT. I admire your loyalty and man-love for your boy, Roy, but geez. I'd take Keith Davis, or Watkins, or Hamlin or, gee, I don't know, my little sister over Roy.

Posted by Michael Lunceford @ 4:40 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Roy Williams unfortunately does not possess the overall skills necessary to succeed in the Cowboy defense. Unless there is a very talented defensive back such as Newman and an equally talented Free Safety, both of whom compensate for Williams and allow him to roam the line of scrimmage then he is a liability.

All will recall that the loss of Darren Woodson demonstarted how much he meant to the defense and Williams' vulnerbilities as a cover safety.

Posted by John @ 5:04 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Just because someone has something critical to say about a very expensive safety who can't cover in space or get to the ball doesn't make him a "hater". This blog is for us to have a little fun discussing the Cowboys. A bunch of us just believe Williams didn't show anything last night that makes a statement about improving from last year. I want Williams to succeed, I think he's a nice guy who plays hard. But he didn't look any better last night than he did last season. The problem with Williams that will always weigh on any #1 is, is he one of the best? Well, he's no Woodson which says it all and I'm sure it's frustrating for him as it is for us who fairly or unfairly wanted another Woody. Face it, people throw in this league...often.

Posted by Larry @ 5:13 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

well Vox Veritas,
whoever the hell you are

maybe the rest of us should stop giving our opinions and let you have the entire blog.

As for your comments on my blog, of course I realize Hamlin and Watkins are both playing free safety you nitwit. My suggestion would require one, probably Hamlin, to move to strong safety.

As far as I am concerned, you could probably play a better strong safety than Roy Williams, although you would have to change your name from Vox Veritas or you would get beaten up a lot by your own players.

Posted by Maverick @ 5:18 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Forget Roy, My man Spencer...the rook, took out their prized running back AND eli manning. Call the boy, "Giant Killer". He's already earned my respect.

Posted by ernest t bass @ 5:31 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

During the post-game press conference a reporter asked Philips about Roy's performance because "anytime we ask Roy we're told that we don't know what we're seeing."

"Y'all DON'T know what you're seeing," Phillips said.

Posted by larry giusti @ 5:36 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Larry, you are right. Don't worry about "Vox". He used to go by "Goober", but he's already been outed. He is non other than Todd Archer.

Posted by incognito @ 6:03 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

All the Roy Williams haters are clueless. Ok, lets cut Roy Williams, and fill his slot with who? YOu idiots seem to think he should have a tackle, or sack, on every play. It's 1 game into the season, and you're allready to cut him. I don't hear anyone calling for Spears head, and he did nothing last night! You pathetic, over zealous fools.

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 7:40 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Larry said:

"maybe the rest of us should stop giving our opinions and let you have the entire blog."

Not a bad idea. My point is that you're not privy to the practices, how do you know what he shows in practice?

"As far as I am concerned, you could probably play a better strong safety than Roy Williams, although you would have to change your name from Vox Veritas or you would get beaten up a lot by your own players."

Yeeeeah, ok "Larry" IFFFF that's your real name.

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 7:42 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

"Y'all DON'T know what you're seeing," Phillips said.

That's two coaches with decades of experience in a row. But the bloggers that don't know a FS from a SS know better, I'm sure.

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 7:43 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Incognito, don't be too hard on 'em. They only know what the media tells 'em.

Posted by bippo @ 8:41 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Incognito, not many people are saying replace Williams. Anyone claiming that is just not thinking. But he is overrated. Your Spears analogy is absurd. If Spears goes on to make pro bowls while being one-dimensional, and overrated at that dimension, then maybe he'd get the same kind of scrutiny. I like Williams. But to act like he isn't often clueless out there- not just last night but many many times-to not even entertain the notion, that is being overzealous.

Posted by larry giusti @ 8:41 PM Mon, Sep 10, 2007

Incognito, since you and Vox want to quote coaches, "Y'all DON'T know what you're seeing", allow me to quote coach "Dubya", "NO EXCUSES". "That's what I've been telling the team since training camp started. This year, there's NO MORE EXCUSES". So why are you and Vox making excuses for Roy? The guy was the #8 pick in his draft, he got a HUGE contract last year, and he hasn't produced. Oh, and by the way, I didn't mean to slight Spears. He's as worthless as Roy is. These two guys were two of the biggest mouths detracting Parcells, saying he was the reason they were so sorry last year, and how this year with coach Dubya, they were going to be unleashed and reach their full potential. NO EXCUSES.

Posted by Robert Rodriguez @ 7:48 AM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

Vox Veritas, I have read you pleas for clemency on Roy but if I where a judge -- the judgement is in and I'd pull the plug.

Roy is a football dinosaur. Safeties MUST cover in the NFL today. Being able to cover is, BY FAR, the most important factor in success. Occasional hits with fumbles are nice but not at the expense of 150 yards per game in the air.

Roy is to SS like having a NT who can't stop the run. Worthless.

Learn your football son becuase the one parroting 2004 Media clips on Roy W is you.

Posted by incognito @ 9:08 AM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

Larry G,,be a little more accurate. I said nothing in regards to quoting a coach. Read, and re-read

Posted by Not Another Season Down The Drain @ 12:19 PM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

Sorry but I need the ENTIRE defense to step it up.

There I was on Sunday night, amped and ready to put last season and the Seattle fiasco behind me forever, when Eli "I'm Always Confused" Manning goes and throws a 60-yard bomb. Wow, has anything changed?

That being said, there was practically NO pass rush. There were seldom moments of course, when they got to E. Manning but they were few and far between. As for the scheme, I would like to find out why the corners were playing about 10 yards off and STILL GETTING BURNED. Maybe it's just me, but I don't get why you play so far off when it's 3rd down and they got 3 yards to go. Where was D-Ware? Where they double/triple teaming him?

Also, it's hard NOT to focus on Roy Williams, as made obvious by the New Orleans Saints last year. These teams are going to continue to pick on him and exploit his weaknesses. He's also way to eager to come up and make a big tackle and unfortunately, like someone commented on another blog, his arm tackling isn't doing the truck. In the first half, he made a terrible attempt to take down Shockey but got dragged along instead. He needs to learn to play his position more honest, rather than coming up to make a play on a play-action pass.
Also, I like Pat Watkins from the few snaps he played. He's tall, quick and agile and did improve throughout the season last year.

And finally, why don't they use Miles Austin as kick/punt returner? He has some speed and agility.

Posted by incognito @ 12:45 PM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

Oh yeah,,,"son",,,lmao. I have hemroids older than you SON!

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 5:24 PM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

"So why are you and Vox making excuses for Roy?"

Who is making excuses? And why do you think that me and Incognito are Wade Phillips, anyway?

"These two guys were two of the biggest mouths detracting Parcells, saying he was the reason they were so sorry last year"

Really. What, exactly, did Roy Williams say? I'm really interested in reading this, since RW has a rep of not talking very much at all to media types.

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 5:31 PM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

I wouldn't have a judge that can't spell "judgment" and can't figure out when to use "were" instead of "where", son, and I don't think RW should be subjected to one. As a DB, You don't snag 5 INTs in a season and get voted by your peers into the pro bowl four out of five seasons without knowing how to cover. OK, so you wanna be a chick and cut him after a game, go right ahead, but you'll never become an NFL coach making dumb decisions like that. Then you'll REALLY have time for the media to issue your uninformed opinions to you.

Posted by John Kochtosten @ 8:00 PM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

His name isn't Roy, its Horse Collar.

Posted by Mr Rogers @ 11:34 PM Tue, Sep 11, 2007

To all you Roy-haters, let me re-hash the often stated facts-
4 Pro Bowls, 5 Career TDs, 4 times as many career picks as your Golden Boy Newman.

All Cowboy Nation should worship this guy even if he gave up 2 long TDs per game, because thanks to his Horse Collar 3 years ago, he single-handedly avenged 2 of the biggest insults evr perpetrated against the Cowboys.

He maimed Owens, thus avenging that p#@@%% double-urination on the Star; and he ended the 2004 Eagles Super Bowl hopes by injuring a WR, thus avenging those stupid fans' jeering as Micheal Irvin was paralyzed at that dump they call the Vet.

Posted by John Kochtosten @ 9:13 AM Wed, Sep 12, 2007

So what Mr. Rogers is saying is that Horse Collar could actually cover people earlier in his career. Horse Collar was taken at #8 while Ed Reed was taken at #24 - wonder if Dallas would like a do over on that one?

Posted by Vox Veritas @ 9:28 AM Wed, Sep 12, 2007

Mr Rogers, normally I'd say that you're a dweeb, but you do sort of have a point. TO's falling out with the Eagles began with that horse collar tackle that broke his leg. He was out, McNabb was telling anyone that would listen that they don't need TO to win, and it was taken as a slap to TO's face and that's exactly how anyone should have taken it. Before you know it, he's kicking Hugh Douglas's ass in front of the entire team and letting everyone know about the true nature of Donovan McNabb. An overrated prima donna that's not happy unless he's the most visible guy on the team. We learned last year that he could give a damn about winning, by virtue of his moping and his proxy whining via Mama McNabb.

""The win this week was great and I could actually say that’s what I wanted for Christmas. Yes, now we have solidly beat the Cowboys with my son and without him. But I can hear you asking, mama McNabb what are you really thinking? Well here it is, the real deal. It’s kind of bitter sweet for me as my son, the quarterback sits out on injured reserved watching the game during his rehab. I polled my family too and they feel the same. We want our team to win and even go to the Superbowl and win it in Miami especially if they continue to play as they have. But oh, oh, if they win the Superbowl without my son, what would be the real outcome with the fans? Will they crucify him? Maybe, then the trade talks would begin. Off season madness, worse than last year’s fiasco."