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I’m on record, and I’ll say it again: I would not be on board with the Cowboys putting together a monster package to trade up and get Arkansas superstar Darren McFadden. But there’s history that, in a roundabout way, backs that kind of deal. Most people frequenting Cowboys Blog, I figure, would consider Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith the two greatest tailbacks in club history. I’ll bet I can even get Cowboys historian Timmy Tabloid to agree with that. So what do Dorsett and Smith have in common? They both came to Dallas as a result of draft-day trade-ups that, in hindsight, look about as lopsided as a 1980s Super Bowl. The lesson here would be that if you believe a player is going to be that special, you do what it takes. I don’t think McFadden will wind up having a career like those Dallas legends. But I will say that if Jerry Jones and Co. are fairly certain that he’ll be that kind of back, then they should pull the trigger. Again, I would NOT be on board with the move. Follow the jump to see proof positive that the deal could be worth making. THE DORSETT TRADE In the final analysis, after much wheeling-and-dealing, the smoke cleared to show that the Cowboys came away with Dorsett and QB Glenn Carano (54th overall), while the Seahawks reaped OT Steve August (14th overall), OG Tom Lynch (30th overall), LB Terry Beeson (41st overall) and Cowboys receiver Duke Ferguson. (Note: It was impossible to find the official rundown of the trade, so this is how I cobbled it together.) On the Seattle side, August started at right tackle for six years (1978-83) and Lynch started at left guard for three years (1978-80). Beeson was the team’s starting middle linebacker for five years (1977-81), and led the team in tackles his first three years in the league. Ferguson, meanwhile, caught 23 passes in three years as a Seahawk. Three of those players were traded later – Lynch to Buffalo in ’81, Beeson to Atlanta in ’82 and August to Pittsburgh in ’84. Only August lasted long enough to play in a playoff game for the Seahawks. Meanwhile, Tony Dorsett made four Pro Bowls, posted eight 1,000-yard seasons and won a Super Bowl in his 11 years as a Cowboy. Carano spent seven seasons as a back-up to Roger Staubach and Danny White in Dallas. THE SMITH TRADE Of course, the Cowboys were able to do this in the first place because of a mammoth package put together for Herschel Walker. But there was a trade-up involved in order for Dallas to cop Smith. When Smith dropped into the mid-teens, Jones and Jimmy Johnson worked a deal with the Steelers, sending first- and third-round picks, 21st and 81st overall, to get the 17th selection and draft him. The Steelers used the first selection on Liberty TE Eric Green and the second one on Houston DT Craig Veasey. Green made the Pro Bowl in the final two of his five years as a Steeler, before leaving for Miami in 1995. Veasey made two starts in two years in Pittsburgh, and was waived before the 1992 season. Smith, of course, posted 11 consecutive 1,000-yard seasons, made eight Pro Bowls and broke the NFL’s all-time rushing record in his 13 seasons as a Cowboy. CONCLUSION As is stated above, dealing up, and giving up a lot, for a Hall of Famer will always look good in the rear-view mirror. But if you’re going to give up a haul like the Cowboys will have to in order to get McFadden, you better be sure you’re getting a really, really good player in return. |
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Posted by Jim Burns @ 8:36 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Ther is always a chance he could turn out to be that good, but the price to get Mcfadden is just too steep. The Cowboys cannot afford to have Romo, MB3, and Mcfadden all in the backfield making that much money. At the end of the day it just does not make sense. I just think they have other needs ( corners, and receiver) that are more pressing. I really think Felix Jones would be a better comliment to MB3 anyways.
Jim Burns
San Something
Posted by david @ 8:41 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
You sure sound like you advocate it. Grow some!
=-)
Posted by Joe Simpson @ 8:47 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Why not? Look at the recent investment of first rounders to the defense lately. I think it's the offense's turn to roll the dice.
Posted by Timothy @ 8:48 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
This is why it is difficult being a Dallas Cowboy fan:
Moves like this are going to happen when Jerry Jones is back in charge fully.
I guarantee the Cowboys will trade as many picks as it takes to draft Darren McFadden.
This move will stop the progress of this roster and be just as foolish as the Joey Galloway trade.
However, as Cowboy fans, we will have to live with it for the next 5 years.
Just like the foolish hiring of Wade Phillips as head coach.
By 2010, Cowboy fans will be dreaming about the Bill Parcells era of drafting and player development.
I already am.
Posted by tdawg @ 8:48 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Shame they didnt trade up and take Adrian Peterson last year.
The Cowboys real need is at Safety, they need one that can cover and read the offense (I seriously doubt changing your number will improve your abilities). They can use some depth at Corner as fragile as our seemed to be last year.
Posted by Redskin_Best-Warrior-Chief-Team [Kyoto Japan] @ 8:51 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
thanks for running talk to and back forth Bill in D.C...we have old saying in our country...Bill in D.C. sure look like fool eating rabbit food!...HI HI HI...and the rabbits get more food than him!...HI HI HI...McFadden pulled on 3rd down and goal line last several SEC games that made it to homeland...McFadden have skinny legs/good on Geisha bad on NFL RB...does McFadden block big American LBs or is he next Reggie Bush?...HI HI HI...and to Heavenbound...make trip quick...DBs make impacts also very soon...and DB just needs to be better that Reeves...not Deion Sanders within 2 games...Heavenbound...learn game of American FB before posting!!!...Hail to Redskin!!!...
Posted by J @ 8:58 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Al
Stop the madness! First the media propagates the Cabo visit like this is the National Enquirer and now, some rumor about giving away the farm to get DMac.
I agree with Jim. Either way, Jerry has not yet done anything that I have not understood. The personnel losses to Miami were inevitable but the rumors of Campo coming back and that Jerry will lose mind to trade up can make even those of us with faith in Jerry wondering "has he not learned...has he not learned."
I maintain the our offense overachieved with the limited speed we had (outside our 30 something WR). Credit Garrett.
On the other hand, our defense with all of the high picks still faltered...this is Wade's creation. So, please no coaches (even Campo) that are coming from teams where they did not succeed there.
Posted by Bill in DC @ 8:58 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
As I recall Jerry and Jimmy were roundly laughed at when they made that trade. I think the book on Emmitt was that he was too small and too slow. Another idiot Jerry move.
If Dallas trully thinks McFadden is going to be in his class, then yes, they should do what it takes.
I have no idea if he's that kind of back, if we get him I hope so.
Posted by Bill in DC @ 9:02 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Timothy,
You're dreaming of Rob Carpenter instead of Cromartie and Julius Jones instead of Steven Jackson?
Seriously?
Posted by dee @ 9:04 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
IF WE TRADE BOTH PICKS #23 and #28 and MB3 for (DMAc) we are doomed for the next 5 years cuz i can just see mcfadden as a bust i kno i kno hes good but we need to address our cornerback issues becuz JAque REEVES is the worst corner in history
Posted by Bill in DC @ 9:11 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
dee,
A tad dramatic aren't we? reeves is a 7th round pick, why on earth would anyone expect him to be anything other than a part time zone corner and be disappointed he isn't a lock down corner?
He's an average to below average CB.
I think before we get all hysterical about drafting Mc Fadden, we ought to see what Dallas lands in FA. If we get Trufant or Samuels or Ashumoga. If we do then maybe its not a bad idea to go after McFadden.
Posted by heavenbound @ 9:11 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
at last year's draft when Jerry and Co. high fived each other when they got Clevelands #1, JJ knew that he was going after DMac with that pick...he wanted that WOW!!! player last year, now he's bound to get him now...especially after drafting on the defensive side for 40 yrs. straight...with all those #1 picks on defense, the boys should at least be in the top five every year...NOW ITS TIME TO GET SOME OFFENSIVE PLAYMAKERS FOR A CHANGE..GO FOR IT JERRY!!! DMac for 60 yds. TOUCHDOWN...and the crowd, (yeah, all you blog writers on this blog) will think that Jerry was a genius....
Posted by Mark @ 9:22 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
I agree with Bill in DC: The Parcell's era was not that great in terms of drafting. Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Fasano, Jones versus Jackson, Carpente verus anybody (Demeco Ryans, Cromartie)...
That being said, I would be in favor of trading one 1st rounder, MB3 and a 2nd for DM; I wouldn't give up three 1st rounders... MB3 is not a work horse...
Posted by XX-plorer @ 9:52 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Jerry, let strike a trade, send "Pro bowlers" Roy Williams and Flo. Adams plus Dallas' #22 pick for Miami's #1.That way you dump the huge salaries and make room for D.Mac!
Posted by Scott in Austin @ 9:54 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
The key is going to be what JJ & Co can do in FA and via trades (WR Roy Williams please?) prior to the draft... that will determine what happens in the draft.
If they address most of the major needs prior to the draft (CB and WR) then it won't matter if they move up for McFadden. If they don't and mortgage it all away for one specific player then the Boys will be in trouble.
Posted by XX-plorer @ 9:55 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Oops...forgot to add another famous "Parcells Guy" (#1 pick)in the trade, good ole Bobby Carpenter!
Posted by joe cates @ 9:56 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
some of these are good comments, like the writer of this article said, if u believe that mcfadden is a emmitt smith or a tony dorsett, then you go for it, but at same time, u dont trade away the farm, what i would do is this;
call miamis trump card, if they are willing to give up their # 1 pick for say, 22nd pick and barber, maybe spears or carpenter thrown in, if both players, then maybe we get tedd ginn in that deal too, but call miamis trump card, make them realize that we arent going to give away 3 # 1 picks or barber with 2 # 1 picks,
wait until like the 4th pick, see if you can get a lesser deal, like say your 22nd pick and your # 1 pick in 2009, and a player like fasano or carpenter or spears, if need so, but dont give away both number one picks this year, keep that other number one for a cb,
or if say you can get a # 2 pick for spears, and a # 3-5 for carmpenter, or some swap of a number one pick for carpenter, then do it, then you would have 2 number one picks, 2 number 2 picks, and possibly 2 number 3 picks, then you have ammunition with barber to move up in draft, with oe of those other picks,
me personally, i would rather the cowboys stay there at 22nd and 28th, if they can get a # 2 for spears, and still have their # 2 and 3, then you can trade for someone like roy williams wr, the detroit lions need defensive players, see if you can trade spears or carpenter or both possibly for roy williams, then use one of those # 2 or 3 or 4th rounders move up to about 17th to 20th, and take felix jones with first number one, and or take a top cb like crommithie, or the guy from troy or arizona with 22nd, and take a rb with 28th pick, the draft is loaded with running backs, so you should be able to get a good one if you stay and team him with barber, i think chris johnson would fit that bill and be better than julius jones ever was,
so, sure check all opportunities, but dont give up the store, if they do trade spears and carpenter, then we will need a dt or de and a linebacker to replace them,
with that being said, i hope the cowboys go get dansby from the cardinals, with fitzgerald wr getting a huge contract, from what i heard, the cardianals may not have to much free agency money to sign dansby, and i think he is an up and coming player, awhole lot better than akin, to me, he was horrible this year, we need a dominating presence at inside linebacker, then our front seven could be what they are projected to be, with all of those high picks on defense,
and we also need for crying out loud a punt returner bad, a guy like hester or sproles with the chargers,
Posted by Scott in Austin @ 9:56 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
BTW... word out of Detroit is that all the Lions are looking for in return for their Roy Williams is a #2.
That would be a no-brainer.
Posted by Homer @ 10:04 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
McFadden is NOT that Guy, Period.
Has speed and moves, as does Reggie Bush, but he lacks power to be an Adrian Peterson type.
McFadden, regardless of what we do in Free Agency, would be a pretty big mistake.
Posted by pokes @ 10:16 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
i dont want any draft trade talk from albert...he only wants to see failure
Posted by chris @ 10:18 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
I've watched d-mac run for the last 3 seasons, in college he was in a league of his own, now that he's going into the nfl, I wish him the best, all i want for him is not to be in oakland, I'd prefer denver but dallas is just as good of a team in my eyes, PRAY FOR A DRAFT-DAY TRADE for him...Anywhere but oakland!!!!!!!
Posted by chris @ 10:19 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
I've watched d-mac run for the last 3 seasons, in college he was in a league of his own, now that he's going into the nfl, I wish him the best, all i want for him is not to be in oakland, I'd prefer denver but dallas is just as good of a team in my eyes, PRAY FOR A DRAFT-DAY TRADE for him...Anywhere but oakland!!!!!!!
Posted by Anthony @ 10:20 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
You have to look at the money this time of year. Marion has a respected agent so please believe MB is going to get his bread, meaning, he and DMac can't co-exist in Dallas for more than this year. The question is how much does Jerry love DMac, enough to give up a Pro Bowl RB? Marion has played his way into big bucks and quite possibly out of Dallas because he's not looked at as a top tier RB primarily cause his lack of speed to take it to the house, but he's going to get paid like one. DMac brings that one missing element MB doesn't and neither will be in Dallas for cheap, so Jerry has to choose soon. I see the logic but MB3 is my RB for my team, and we'd be better suited finding our RB a decent backup IMHO.
Posted by chris @ 10:21 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
I've watched d-mac run for the last 3 seasons, in college he was in a league of his own, now that he's going into the nfl, I wish him the best, all i want for him is not to be in oakland, I'd prefer denver but dallas is just as good of a team in my eyes, PRAY FOR A DRAFT-DAY TRADE for him...Anywhere but oakland!!!!!!!
Posted by Get Williams @ 10:26 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Can someone tell me when trades for guys like Roy Williams(the wide receiver) can be made.
Do trades involving non-free agents have to wait until Feb. 29th for free agency to begin as well?
If a 2nd rounder is all that is needed to get Williams, and i had heard that same thing weeks ago, what are the cowboys waiting on?
Posted by Wade Phillips HC of the 13-3/Great 8 Dallas Cowboys @ 10:40 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Wade here fellas...and thanks for the support and kindness...I'm sure we'll have a great shot at the Final 4 next year!!!...I just want to make one thing clear about FA and the upcoming draft...we [and Jerry's on board with this] will be bringing in players that can deliver me the heaviest and most filled doughnuts during all the breaks in training camp next year as a priority...this "delivery system" will allow the organization to judge a player's strength; quickness; endurance; and of course heart [having to watch me bite into that fresh raspberry jelly on an empty stomach]...so keep the faith Cowboy fans!!!...you are the best in the world!!!...and remember to buy my new Double Doughnut/Oscar Meyer Frank Mouthpiece Headset Jerry is going to be selling at the first home game next year!!!...and GOOOOOOOO BOYS!!!....
Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 10:42 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
for the Cowboys' 2nd...not a high 2nd right Scott?...
Posted by JR @ 10:46 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Alright, I've seen too many post and I can't sit idle any longer.
Okay, who really thinks Spears is worth a 2nd round pick? Moss was dealt for a 4th rounder. Also the rumors of the good Roy Williams for a 2nd rounder. So there is no possible way you could sucker anyone to trade a first day pick for Spears. We need to all let that one go.
As for trading MB3 and the first round picks for DMac... well that's a little tricky. I love watching Barber play and every time he steps on the field there is a buzz at Texas Stadium. But the truth is, he can't pick up the blitz well. There are plenty of examples in the playoff game where he missed his assignment. I mean the line wasn't great, but Barber should get some of the blame there. Great runner, but spotty blitz pickup.
As for the picks I'd rather us spend them on a CB, WR, OL, and maybe a back in the 3rd round. Of course this is before I see what happens in free agency.
Posted by Brian @ 10:53 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
I can't believe people are still commenting on this blog...the season's over. Draft's 3 months away. Get a hobby.
Posted by The Truth @ 11:10 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
McFadden is NOT "that" Running Back.
He COULD be better than Reggie Bush, but ONLY if he is in the PERFECT system, (Like Denver, not Dallas). If not, he will have just as much impact as Reggie has had as "the" RB of the Saints (That is not much for those who have not followed the "Real" Reggie Bush in the NFL)
God Help this team if we get McFadden. It will be a Julius Jones type of disaster, but this time with a Top 5 pick, Several Draft Choice, AND a REAL NFL Running Back.
Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 11:24 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
to JR...watchit fellah...what is your real name and what do you do for a living?...you could be the next pigeon on this blog if you keep posting stupid comments like that...I guess I will rest easy with the Tuna's assessment of MB3's blitz PU over yours...
Posted by Scott in Austin @ 11:26 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Redskins Rule,
That's correct... the Boys 2nd. Their reasoning is that most everyone already knows that he'll play out his current contract and leave in 2009 anyway -- possibly 2010 if they franchise him for one year... and that takes away alot of their leverage. They want to get something for him before it's too late.
Wouldn't suprise me at all to see our 2nd and Carpenter go the Lions for their Roy Williams... good trade for both teams. Supposedly the 49ers are in the mix too though with Martz now over there.
Posted by Scott in Austin @ 11:30 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Tend to agree with RR on that one JR -- while MB did miss a few in the 2nd half I think that had more to do with fatigue than anything else. Picking up the blitz is one of his strong points. He consistently blows up LBs coming in on the blitz. I'd be hard pressed to look at that one half and paint such a wide brush.
Posted by Raul @ 11:42 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Get on youtube and watch some highlight reels of McFadden. I'd love to have this guy doing what he does on those highlight reels in Dallas. He follows his blocks...he's got home run speed...he's got great vision...he's got a mean stiff arm...he fights for extra yards...he can throw the ball on a HB option for a trick play...and when he scores a touchdown he gives the ball to the ref like he's been there before.
Let's see how free agency shakes out before we shut or open the door to McFadden. Give Barber a 1st and 3rd tender and see how that shakes out. Nothing has to be decided today.
Posted by 101 @ 11:50 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
God your an idiot!!!!!
THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING (AND WHAT JERRY IS THINKING) ABOUT DRAFTING MCFADDEN!!!
GAMEBREAKERS ARE JUST THAT..HOF!!!
NAME ONE HOF THAT WAS NOT A GAMEBREAKER/PLAYMAKER?
IF YOU HAVE A SHOT AT TAKING ONE, WHY NOT?
DALLAS IS A GAMEBREAKER AWAY FOR 4 SUPERBOWL RINGS IF JERRY DOES THIS RIGHT!!!!
LET ME REMIND PEOPLE THAT MCFADDEN IS NOT A DUAL THEAT, NO, NOT DUAL..... HE'S A TRIPLE THREAT (QUADRUPLE IF YOU COUNT SPT)!!!!
IM ON BOARD DO IT JERRY, DO IT!!!
YOU MORONS, HE NEEDS TO CLEAR CAPSPACE (CARPENTER, SPEARS) FOR ALL THE SIGNINGS HE'S ABOUT TO DO via FA (SAMUEL?/ LUCAS?/ R. WILLIAM?)!!!
JERRY GETS PERSICUTED FOR TRYIG, LEAST HE TRIES!, I RATHER GAMBLE AND FAIL THAN TO HAVE NEVER TRIED AT ALL!!!
P.S. WHILE BARBER LOOKED GOOD IN THE PLAYOFFS, HE NEVER BROKE A 60YD RUN FOR A TD, EVEN WHEN HE WAS AHEAD!!!
Posted by Scott in Austin @ 11:57 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Posted by Get Williams @ 10:26 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008
Can someone tell me when trades for guys like Roy Williams(the wide receiver) can be made.
Do trades involving non-free agents have to wait until Feb. 29th for free agency to begin as well?
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GW,
Currently the trading period begins the first business day in March. There was talk about opening it up in February, but I never heard if that was passed by the Competition Committee. I kind of doubt that it did because if had I think there would be more noise in the media about it.
Scott in Austin
Posted by BigMeanie @ 12:00 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
"P.S. WHILE BARBER LOOKED GOOD IN THE PLAYOFFS, HE "NEVER BROKE A 60YD RUN FOR A TD, EVEN WHEN HE WAS AHEAD!!!"
LMAO
Ya, because 60+ TDs are the Norm in the NFL. What a moron.
Mr. Bush used to break off 60+ yard runs all the time in College as well, but where has that gotten him?
Exactly.
Posted by get williams @ 12:09 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
thanks Scott,
so we have a time to wait then.
Posted by Super Bowl Ring Fiend @ 12:33 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Thanks 101 for having the balls to say what needed to be said.
#1 Barber is a solid back but he is not a War Horse. There is no reason to pay guy who will split carries the same amount of money you would pay a guy like LT. Barber carried the ball for one half like a full time RB and he ran out of gas...That told me everything I needed to know. Lets get rid of this stupid 2 headed monster BS system and get a RB that has Julius Jones' speed combined with MBIII's vision and power. Imagine Romo dumping the ball off to DMAC in the flat...DMAC is a BAMF...He will Bring Super Bowl Rings!
- I got this $100 gift certificate from www.nflshop.com after I bought My Samsung 1080 HD and I will be looking forward to using it on a DMAC Dallas Cowboys jersey--- Adios ladies!
Posted by Greybeard @ 1:15 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
There's a reason why there hasn't been a running back chosen #1 overall since Kijana Carter. There's too much risk involved for a position with on average, a very short career. Especially in the salary cap era when you're guaranteeing a player $30+ million dollars and excellent talent can be had even a few spots down with far less of a financial commitment. No running back is worth the number one overall pick, period.
Including Emmitt is kind of silly because you're talking about someone that was picked in the lower half of the draft at a time when we had picks to spare and no salary cap to worry about. Trading up from around the back end of the draft to the middle isn't remotely close to trading from the bottom third to the top 10.
I saw both Dorsett and McFadden play in college and there's no comparison. Tony was a truly great college back and anyone that saw him play in college knew he would be great in the NFL if he stayed healthy. He was fast, shifty, smooth, could run with a good low pad level, knew how to avoid big hits and was consistent against any team he played. The same cannot be said for McFadden who also came from a gadget college offense that incorporated a spread look where he sometimes took snaps from QB with his fellow 1,000 yard rusher in the backfield. Don't think for a second that didn't help him out.
Since the AFL-NFL merger became official in 1970, there have been 6 RBs picked #1 overall. One player was a HOFer(Earl Campbell) and another had a pretty solid career(George Rogers). Of the other four, I believe only one topped 5,000 yards for his career, Billy Sims. There were a lot of people that thought Kijana Carter, Ricky Bell and Billy Sims were can't miss players. Bo Jackson was one of the best college backs I ever saw and one helluva athlete, but I don't think he even made it to 3,000 yards for his career because of injuries.
This team is not without holes. Starting running back is not one of them and running back is far too volatile a position to be risking the future at other positions by squandering draft picks in an era where those picks are critical than ever because of the salary cap. Especially considering how deep this draft is at running back.
For all those that want to compare McFadden to Peterson, remember that despite a great rookie season, he missed two games with an injury. Running back is one of the easiest positions to suffer an injury playing. As a consequence, it has one of the shorter career spans. Eric Dickerson is the only back I can think of that had a decent career with that type of upright running style and I don't think even he played a full 16 game season more than two or three times.
Posted by JR @ 1:36 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
To Redskins Blow,
Okay thanks. We should listen to what Parcells has told us right?
What's your real name and what do you do for a living?... What are you trying to pick me up or something? What's it to ya?
I'm the pigeon and you're the statue. So watch out.
Posted by David Vo @ 1:47 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
I have read that macfadden does not possess the vision of great rb..ie: his vision are worse than adrian peterson.
he tends to "run blindly" and follow his linemen blocking even if there is a hole on the back side of the play. i will not trade up for a rb who runs blindly. furthermore, he looks for contact even though he has "skinny" legs.
Posted by DMN Bloggers United @ 2:28 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Nice to see Tim Burns old buddy using a different name. Aint that "The Truth"
Stay away. You said you were leaving.
" Tim, don't go away mad, Tim just go away"
Posted by cowboysfan @ 4:43 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
F.Y.I. everyone if the Giants win next week then the Cowboys move up a spot.
Posted by john @ 7:36 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
I would re-sign Adams, the move Free to RT and trade Columbo, Mcquistan, Fasano, and the browns pick for the # 1 pick to get Mcfadden. That is the most I would give. That would be the equivalant to 2 1st round picks a second round pick and a middle round pick.
Posted by The Truth @ 8:36 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Hurts, don't it?
BTW, I don't know who Tim is, but he sure seems like a smart guy, and apparently he needs to come back and keep you guys in check.
Anyways.
McFadden is nothing more than Reggie Bush 1.1.
Maybe slightly better, but not "That" Guy that you risk your future on.
Posted by Brandon B @ 8:49 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Does anyone else find historical comparisons humorous? So, I guess Breer is telling us that since the Cowboys traded up for 2 HOF RBs, then anytime in the future when they trade up for a RB, that guy will be a HOF player? Brilliant logic, Breer. Sounds like you have been hanging around with Goose too much lately.
Posted by Brian S. @ 10:14 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
I think Jerry is definately going to do this if he doesn't have to trade next years pick. Also, the deal will probably include MB3. MB3 can be an UFA next year and will rightfully want AT LEAST top 10 back money. While you need two running backs I don't think you can pay them both 5+ year contracts with 10+ million signing bonuses. I'm not saying I agree with it, but if you don't want to give MB3 a huge contract, now is the time to trade him, his value will never be higher.
Posted by Jody @ 10:50 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Cowboys will not make a draft trade that involves giving up MBIII. He is not at the elite level, but he is a very good player. NO ONE is going to make some big trade with Spears or Carpenter in the mix, both can be had next year for little or nothing. The Cowboys need to stay with their draft board and not give up the house for one player.
Posted by necro @ 11:08 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
You don't have to have tremendous speed or other God given abilities to be able to be an effective RB in the NFL. Most of the NFL backs with the exception of a very few do not have that ability. MB3 gets through the hole quickly, breaks tackles, scores TD's from inside the five, and finishes runs going forward. Almost reminds you of Emmitt in those traits except Emmitt was also a master of avoiding huge head on contact. We have spent many drafts and FA signings building a team of good players of starting calibre and also building quality depth almost across the board. There are a few holes but RB is not one of them. Yeah MB3 needs a running mate. His style alone dicatates that but it is that style and never say die attitude he has that inspires the entire team and the crowd and you can't put a high enough value mark on that. Despite our last two years of playoff failures this is a good team and we are very, very close and I think it would be horrible and a disaster to tear down what we have spent several years building for the services of DMac or any other one player. Leave the fixed parts alone, address the holes. RB is one of those positions where there is an abundance of quality help (although not Superstars) either in the draft or from the FA market. You have to ask the question "will a high priced RB get us a Super Bowl win after what we have to give up for him?"
Also I think that getting WR Roy Williams for a second round pick is not going to happen for anyone. And I know that if he is a legit trade figure we won't be the only team willing to deal. The Lions probably put out that fake rumor Williams for a second knowing darn well that all teams will come calling about that deal. If that rumor for a second rounder is true then I'm sure you will start to see most teams offering their second and the Lions will entertain all those second round offers all the way down to the team with the highest pick in the second round. Then suddenly somebody is going to offer their high #'ed first round pick and the process will continue downward through the first round until the bidding ceases and they find out they will have a medium first round pick that had started out being a second. Like an auction...highest bidder wins. Play smart Jerry.....especially on the DMac rumors. This CAPTCHA code is killing me....very very very frustrating. Even when it's readable and you type in the correct code it screws you.....DAMN!!!!
Posted by necro @ 11:11 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
You don't have to have tremendous speed or other God given abilities to be able to be an effective RB in the NFL. Most of the NFL backs with the exception of a very few do not have that ability. MB3 gets through the hole quickly, breaks tackles, scores TD's from inside the five, and finishes runs going forward. Almost reminds you of Emmitt in those traits except Emmitt was also a master of avoiding huge head on contact. We have spent many drafts and FA signings building a team of good players of starting calibre and also building quality depth almost across the board. There are a few holes but RB is not one of them. Yeah MB3 needs a running mate. His style alone dicatates that but it is that style and never say die attitude he has that inspires the entire team and the crowd and you can't put a high enough value mark on that. Despite our last two years of playoff failures this is a good team and we are very, very close and I think it would be horrible and a disaster to tear down what we have spent several years building for the services of DMac or any other one player. Leave the fixed parts alone, address the holes. RB is one of those positions where there is an abundance of quality help (although not Superstars) either in the draft or from the FA market. You have to ask the question "will a high priced RB get us a Super Bowl win after what we have to give up for him?"
Also I think that getting WR Roy Williams for a second round pick is not going to happen for anyone. And I know that if he is a legit trade figure we won't be the only team willing to deal. The Lions probably put out that fake rumor Williams for a second knowing darn well that all teams will come calling about that deal. If that rumor for a second rounder is true then I'm sure you will start to see most teams offering their second and the Lions will entertain all those second round offers all the way down to the team with the highest pick in the second round. Then suddenly somebody is going to offer their high #'ed first round pick and the process will continue downward through the first round until the bidding ceases and they find out they will have a medium first round pick that had started out being a second. Like an auction...highest bidder wins. Play smart Jerry.....especially on the DMac rumors. This CAPTCHA code is killing me....very very very frustrating. Even when it's readable and you type in the correct code it screws you.....DAMN!!!!
Posted by J. Carpenter @ 11:14 AM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
The fans summarily dismissing a block buster trade for McFadden apparently have not done their homework.
In the last 40 years, 15 quarterbacks have been selected with the first pick and seven running backs.
Seven of the 15 quarterbacks never went to a pro bowl--almost half. At the same time, only seven running backs were picked with the first overall selection. Only two were not pro bowlers--Ricky Bell and Kijana Carter.
Taking all other players as a group (15), only six became pro bowlers.
It would seem taking a running back with the first pick gives you a significantly better chance of having a player become a pro bowler than selecting a player who plays any other position.
Interestingly, two of the seven running backs taken first overall became Hall of Fame Inductees: O.J. Simpson and Earl Campbell. Three of the 15 q.b.'s went to Canton: Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, and Troy Aikman.
Of the 15 overall picks among other selected first, only two went to the HOF: Ron Yary and Lee Roy Selman.
Yes, the sample is small but since it's a consensus that McFadden is the best player in college football and was jobbed out of the Heisman, it is somewhat surprising that both of the running backs who entered the draft as the first overall pick and who won the Heisman became Hall of Fame players.
Clearly, the risk of not taking McFadden are as potentially high for Dallas as some feel taking him is
Posted by Scott @ 12:06 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
It would be great to have Mcfadden but the price would be too high. The Cowboys have greater needs in the secondary, where the only position I am happy with is the one held by Newman, and wide receiver because a) thinking that Glenn can make the comeback and be a significant contributor is unwise, b) T.O., despite his great season, is in his mid-30s, and c) I am not sold on Crayton being a major contributor.
I say keep Barber as the #1 back and see how far he can carry the load, find a back to complement him, and focus on improving the secondary and receiving corps.
Posted by MY FADDEN @ 12:46 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
OK, STOP W/ MCFADDEN ONLY BEING A RB, WHILE HE CAN PLAY RB, HE CAN ASLO PLAY WR/QB/SPT, NOUGH SAID!!!!
THE GUY IS A GAMEBREAKER PERIOD!!!
WE NEED GAMEBREAKERS ON DEFENCE AND OFFENCE!
OUR DEFENCE IS SOLID, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT GAMEBREAKER, DIDO FOR OUR OFFENCE, SPECIALLY W? T.O. BEING AS OLD AS HE IS... WE COULD USE MCFADDEN AS A WR!!!!!!!
YOU GUYS EVER HEARD OF COLLEGE PROSPECTS PLAYING DIFFRENT POSITIONS ONCE THEY GO PRO???
Posted by C.V. @ 1:36 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
1) I want the GM of my team figuring a way out of the colossal screw-up of extending Roy Williams (the "safety"). He needs to be off this team pronto.
2) The major difference of the facts surrounding the selection of Emmit vs McFadden is that Jimmy is not around. This is Jerry. Miami may look back on this trade the way we did to the Hershel trade to the Vikings.
Posted by PLEASE @ 2:08 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
I just wanna win again!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Jimmie @ 2:09 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Nothing wrong with trading up to the mid teens in order to get a player. You would have to use an additional third or fourth round choice which would not be guaranteed to even make the squad.
Posted by Greybeard @ 3:43 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
If you want to use quality of career as a barometer, chew on this:
Of the RBs in the top 20 for career attempts, 12 were drafted outside the top 5.
Of the RBs in the top 20 for career yards, again, 12 were taken outside the top 5.
Of the RBs in the top 20 for career TDs, once again, 12 were taken outside the top 5.
There have been 10 RBs drafted from 1990 on that have cracked the top 20 for rushing attempts. 7 were drafted outside the top 5.
There have been 10 RBs drafted from 1990 on that have cracked the top 20 for rushing yards. 6 were drafted outside the top 5.
There have been 10 RBs drafted from 1990 on that have cracked the top 20 for rushing TDs. 7 were drafted outside the top 5.
The only player in the top twenty on any of these lists taken #1 overall is Simpson. There are 3 #2 overall picks on the attempts and yards list and 4 on the TD list.
Also, injuries do not discriminate against #1 overall picks.
Ask George Rogers. He had a great rookie season and a good year for the Redskins once, but was fairly ordinary the rest of his career. He only played two full seasons and injuries finally forced him out.
Ask Bo Jackson, who played in only 38 games in 4 seasons before his hip forced him out.
Ask Kijana Carter, whose career never even got off the ground. Injured before he played one game his first year. Started less than one season's worth of games while bouncing around the league for a few years.
Ask Billy Sims, who might have had a hall of fame career if not for a knee injury that ended it prematurely after 5 years.
Ricky Bell was a risk to begin with due to a pre-existing heart condition. He had one good season in 5 or 6 years before he had to retire.(Rest in peace)
Running back has the highest turnover rate of all skill positions because they handle the ball more than anyone but the quarterback and are being hit multiple times from multiple angles most of the time that they have the ball in their hands. In this day of the salary cap where the #1 overall pick is guaranteed at least $30,000,000 the risk is too great.
Posted by Howard @ 3:48 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
Forget about MacFadden as long as the offensive line personnel and blocking schemes remain the same. Not even Tony Dorsett or Duane Thomas could gain ground with that bunch of fat assed slowpokes in front of them.
Posted by Michael in Chicago @ 6:16 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
I hope Jerry Jones is seeing the big picture here.
Sure, McFadden would be a great addition, but not at the expense of filling need positions. Rashard Mendenhall or Felix Jones will be there at 22 and probably 28. We need a top notch CB if we don't get one in free agency. The 28 pick should be a RB or a WR. The 2nd round pick fills the other need
that didn't get picked at 28. KEEP BOTH PICKS!
Stupid CAPTCHA
Posted by The Truth @ 8:19 PM Mon, Jan 28, 2008
"OK, STOP W/ MCFADDEN ONLY BEING A RB, WHILE HE CAN PLAY RB, HE CAN ASLO PLAY WR/QB/SPT, NOUGH SAID!!!!"
Kind of like Reggie Bush right?
Well unfortunately that makes him a Jack of All Trades, and a Master of None.
So why give up a PROVEN touchdown maker, Barber, for what WILL be J.A.G. (yep, that's McFadden).
ONE weapon will NOT take over for T.O., period. So lets get as many as possible instead wishing, hoping, and praying McFadden is more than Reggie Bush, which I don't see it.
Posted by Lee Smith @ 5:01 PM Tue, Jan 29, 2008
True, we traded up from 1/21 to get 1/17 to take Emmitt. But before trading up, the Cowboys TRADED DOWN TWICE, stopping at 1/21, adding several lower picks. Considering Emmitt's brilliance, why'd they trade down at all, rather than grabbing Emmitt ASAP! Reason: They didn't know he'd be so special. Who knows about Peterson: fantastic rookie year, but will he last, or break? Same with D-Mac. To draft is to GAMBLE.
Posted by texashog @ 10:25 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008
Look, McFadden is not a "Master of None." He is the (unarguably) best RB in the nation, and the best the country has seen in a while. He is more God given talent than any football player I've ever seen. Whoever said that McFadden doesn't have Peterson-like power obviously hasn't watched enough of him. His stiff arm is comparable to Earl Campbell, the most powerful RB of all time, and there was one instance where he even took a MLB by the shoulder and threw him out of the way. As far as I know, Peterson hasn't run over anybody in the NFL yet, which proves that you don't have to have power to be successful. I'm not saying McFadden is a guaranteed superstar, but I do know that he has the best shot at becoming a superstar. For all the statistics talking about how many of the top RB's were not top 5 picks, that doesn't mean jack. Put a monkey in a room with a typewriter long enough and he will type Shakespeare. Statistics of the past mean nothing for players of today; they are simply trends that may or may not happen this year. Sure, we have other positions to address, but let the free agency signings play out first. Then worry about the draft. And guess what? Nobody, especially Jerry Jones, gives a crap about what any of us thinks. He wants to sell tickets first and foremost, and a guy like McFadden, a superstar in a neighboring state, would be just the guy to sell those tickets. But in the end, Jerry will do what Jerry wants. When you own the team, then you can make those decisions. But in the meantime, stop accusing McFadden of already being a bust, or saying he's not worth it. There have been worse things happen before. Give Jerry a chance and see what he does with it. I guarantee you that if McFadden did turn out to be the all-time leading rusher (over 20,000 yds of course) then every single one of you enlightened commentators, who know so much about the inner workings of the NFL, will be calling Jerry Jones a genius, Wade Phillips a miracle worker, and Darren McFadden the greatest thing that ever happened to Dallas. Just let it happen and form your opinions later. Go Cowboys!