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Posted by Rusty G. @ 1:06 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Best we could hope for if we're shopping them as individual deals would be late 4th to 6th round. Seems like they'd be more effective as 'juice' to another, larger, trade, though. Carp is a high quality special teamer, I'm not sure a 5th or 6th round pick really makes sense on its own. Spears is dead weight, though. Anything we got for him would seem to be worth it. Maybe he can go somewhere to a different system and make something of his career.

Posted by PaulC @ 1:07 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Yes, trade 'em. Carpenter's a bust and ridding the team of Spears would also send a message to the rest of the overdrafted and overpaid in the Cowboys' defense. Frankly, a fourth or fifth round pick for the both of them together would be a bonus. Tellya what, tell the trade partner you'll accept a SEVENTH round pick, if they take Roy Williams too.

Posted by fellow @ 1:09 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Package Spears, Carpenter and Roy Williams for another running back (since JJ is gone) or another decent receiver

Posted by The ghost of Jean Paul Marat @ 1:11 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Carpenter IS a complete bust, Spears is not a bad player but he's reached his peak and it's only downhill for him as far as his playing career is concerned. Package both and see what you can get for the pair, at this point both are very expendable.

Posted by YumaCactus @ 1:15 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

How about Spears, Carpenter and our 2nd 1st Rounder for the other Roy Williams?

Posted by gwill13 @ 1:18 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade Carpenter to Detroit for Roy Williams, throw in a 4th to seal the deal. Then shop Spears on draft day and try to get at least a 4, but hoping for a 3...Carp to Detroit should be a done deal though, both teams win...isn't that what trades are for???

Posted by dave in austin @ 1:28 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Use one (or both players) as ammo, with a draft pick, for Detroits Roy Williams, or Zona's Fitxgerald - although he would have to be a sign and trade since his cap number is so high.

Posted by Johnny @ 1:31 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade them to the Tuna in Miami. Maybe we could get Jason Taylor and Zack Thomas, whom of which are old, but could help us next year. That'd be a great trade.

Posted by drhorton @ 1:31 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Why so quick to get rid of Spears? He is not a bust, and his cap charge should be relatively cheap at this point. If he didn't start, would he provide quality depth?

Carpenter, though, just not a fit here, unless Wade finds a niche for him. Why would you take a low pick for him though? Once again, he provides depth, and knows the playbook. Would you get that from a rookie 6th round pick?

By the way, I WOULD ENTER THE SECURITY CODE CORRECTLY IF I COULD READ THE F$*&ING THING!

Posted by notafootballdumby @ 1:36 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Seriously, Dave in Austin??? If you are such an idiot about football that you are talking about a "sign & trade" do you really think you have any business posting on this blog? Sign & Trades are exclusive to basketball. Please save us some time and don't bothe rposting anymore...

And to gwill13, Carpenter and a 4th for Roy Williams? And a 3rd rounder for Marcus Spears? This is a joke right?

I'm done...

Posted by Ted @ 1:38 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

You are giving Jerry Jones advice?? You, you...sportswriter?? Can you even tie a necktie? What have you ever done that would suggest that you belong in the same room as the Cowboys owner?

My God, the idiots in this world.

Posted by Mike Lynn @ 1:39 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

gwill13,

Not even I make that trade. ROFL! A first round bust LB for a top 5 WR? Oh certainly Detroit takes that.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 1:39 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

why would anybody pay for the Cowboy's garbage?...Carpenter looks best standing in front of Ceasar's Palace with a shield and sword and Spears can be a bouncer at the Home Town Buffet...face it...teams are gonna wait for Spears to be cut...be lucky to get a 7th...Carpenter maybe a 5th...and stop packaging biscuit with these guys...now that's real stinky trash...

Posted by MWM @ 1:40 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

It will not take a first round pick to get Williams from Detroit. He will be coming into his last year on his contract and Detroit does not have the luxury to hold out for 1st Round. 2nd round pick and Spears should do it. Send Carp to Miami for a 4th to 6 round pick.

Posted by Sandy @ 1:45 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

My advice to Jerry is ..hire a real GM... a guy that can evaluate a players talent, and has a sound knowledge of football...stop break dancing on TV...sign the checks and get out of the way....if not we are mediocre in 2 - 3 years....those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it...

Posted by Gary Geffen @ 1:46 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

The Bengals could use some defense. Maybe get a 3rd WR out fo the deal if both dealt together. Other option is yea, just get what you can, load up on draft picks. Thats probably the case, Gives Jerry more options on draft day, which is probabaly what he is looking for.Any more on Fitzgerald wanting out of AZ?

Posted by Fredooch @ 1:48 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

I dont think Carpenter is a bust. He played phenomenally well in last years Seattle playoff loss. The guy hasnt been given a chance to start. Spears on the other hand is another story. This guy has the body and stregnth to dominate but its usually the other way around. I can name a few times when I saw Spears on his back or getting bulldozed. Spears is a 1st Round BUST. The way he plays, he should of beendrafted in the 4rth or 5th round. JAy Ratliff plays better than Spears.

Posted by suavijavi @ 1:49 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade both for any kind of pick........ Why isnt Roy Williams in trade talks as well? Get the cap hit out of the way, screw it....

Posted by Teddy @ 1:51 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

You guys are too low on these two players. Your asking prices are too cheap. Any draft choices after 4th round are called projections. Most of time, the players picked after 4th round cannot even make the team after a couple of years.

But these two players can play and will make any teams in NFL. Dallas hoped they would be impact players, but they were not yet. Any one suggesting to trade them for 4th to 6th round draft choices needs to go to see a doctor.

Spears has started every single game in the past three seasons. He is very young. No, he will not worth a first rounder. But some teams will be willing to take him with a 2nd or earlier 3rd rounder. Dallas has Hatcher and Ratliff waiting to replace Spears. That is why they can afford to trade Spears away. At least, Spears can be an average starting defense linemen in 3-4 as he has already proved. I do not know if he can play in 4-3. If Dallas cannot get a 2nd or earlier 3rd rounder, Spears can at least contribute in the defense line rotation.

As for Carpenter, you won't get a first rounder either. But he did not have opportunity to play. He played a few games in 2006. He did pretty well in the playoff game in his extensive play time. I would bet some teams with a 4-3 defense would give Dallas a 2nd or earlier 3rd rounder on him. For instance, Green Bay had Carpenter's college teammate and that player is a beast on Green Bay's defense. Other teams will notice that fact because both of them were impact players in college. In his limited action and special team roles, Carpenter played pretty well. Since he was such a good player in college, some teams will be willing to give Dallas a 2nd or earlier 3rd rounder because they might find an outstanding player. If Dallas cannot get a 2nd or earlier 3rd rounder, I expect Carpenter to remain in Dallas.

Did you guys know that James could not get into the starting role until his 3rd season with Cowboys? He just played on special teams in his first two years. Of course, James was a 4th round draft choice. You would expect Carpenter to make impact plays immediately as a first rounder. But you guys want to give up him almost for free. That is wrong.

Posted by Burns @ 1:53 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Shaun Rogers has fallen out of favor with the Detroit lions. He is a guy, who like Bigg, could rejuvenate his career here in Dallas. The lions could use carpenter and/or spears and we could use a youthful NT who has the potential to be dominate. This would also allow ratliff to move to the outside. We would just part ways with Fergy.

Posted by Bill @ 1:53 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

I definitely want to get rid of Spears, no matter what we get back. Personally, I don't think Bobby Carpenter has gotten a chance in Dallas. If we are getting nothing back, we might as well keep him. He's good on special teams, which we will need if we lose Keith Davis. Finally, we MUST trade for Roy Williams (a.k.a. the good one.) Whenever WR's are drafted they either take years to contribute or are busts, it's too risky. I would much prefer to trade for one.

Posted by NuckinFuts @ 1:56 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Wow, you must be hitting up the crack pipe. As a package deal you'll be lucky if Miami gives you Ricky Williams or A 3RD. There is no way that both Carp and spears combined are worth either future hall of famer Thomas or Taylor.

They haven't even shown they are worth being drafted.

Posted by ony @ 1:59 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Spears, Carpenter and both 1st round picks to Miami for #1 overall to take McFadden!!!!

Posted by Coop @ 2:00 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

If Jimmy were here he'd let Carpenter go for a 6 pack of cold Heinekens.

Posted by The ghost of Jean Paul Marat @ 2:00 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Folks, maybe the reason Carpenter hasn't had a chance to make an impact much less play, is that he just isn't that good.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 2:02 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

why is Teddy's post so mind-numbingly familiar?...and 4th round and beyond projections?...see, that's what I mean...in today's 7 round draft UFA's have tons of value much less 4th rounders and beyond...who is gonna claim Teddy on this one folks?...Teddy...you sale cars buddy?...

Posted by ntouch4u2 @ 2:02 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

I love it, I love it, with that being said, We have Jason Garret in place, Hudson Houck, back manning the OL, Can we plase go back to the 4-3 as it was the last time we had a number one ranked defense and the last time Roy Williams seemed to be able to cover. Please bring me rangier safeties that can cover and hit like Brock Marion and Darren Woodson. Ken Hamlin is a good start, only now if we could get him some help!!!

You know, it was the last time we had Line Backers that could cover and hit as well.

I know while Wade is here the 4-3 is just a pipe dream, but please as it seems over the past couple of seasons, the 3-4 has been nothing but a "GIMMICK" Defense in Dallas that only reminds me of idiot EX New York Coach and first round play off failures.

Posted by Stinky Tuna @ 2:06 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Bobby Carpenter and Britney Spears !!!
OH, LAHWD!
This affair belong in Miami!

Posted by Scott @ 2:12 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

I'd trade Carpenter; ought to be able to get something decent for him (2nd or 3rd rounder) as he has talent but just doesn't fit the Dallas defense. I don't think Dallas should trade Spears; I think he's doing a pretty good job. He's just overshadowed by the better performances of the players around him (Ware, Ellis, Canty, Ratliff).

Posted by dave in austin @ 2:14 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

notafootballdumby - listen up, sign and trades do happen. In football, it means re-doing the contract so when the player is traded, they have a new contract in place. It happens frequently. So before you assume I don't know anything and shouldn't post anymore, you should pull your own head out of your arse. There are times that a player will agree to a new contract with the team he's being traded to, so that its in place when he arrives. So keep your trap shut and change your name, beacuse you obviously are a football dummy.

Posted by Jay @ 2:14 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

To trade spears would be insane. You have to depth on the d-line. Ferggy stays hurt and can you really count on tank. Do you really need another 5th round pick. We have late round picks that can't get on the field now.

Posted by richard @ 2:17 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

If they best the Boys could get for eiter are second day picks then they should keep them both. They are at least quality backups, I doubt you are going to get a better quality player on the second day. You may, but that's a big gamble.

Posted by NuckinFuts @ 2:25 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Posted by ony @ 1:59 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Spears, Carpenter and both 1st round picks to Miami for #1 overall to take McFadden!!!!

As a Dolphins Fan... I'll take it!

Posted by scott @ 2:26 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

What about Roy Williams? At Carpenter is a special teams stud. I say we ditch Roy first, and free up some cap space.

Posted by JR @ 2:40 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Right now both these picks are pretty disappointing (btw - where are the Parcells left the cupboard stocked articles about these guys???) That being the case, you don't toss them out for 5th, 6th rounders at this point. You're better off giving them a chance to better themselves. I don't even know that it would be worth a 3rd round pick, which probably means nobody would want to deal.

Posted by gEErOj @ 2:41 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

I don’t want to see them switch away from the 3/4 now. Not w/ DeMarcus Ware coming on so strong in this scheme. This team needs another corner, (I’m hoping they make a play for Asante Samuel, from the Pats, this off-season in the free agent market).

Posted by Chicago Joe @ 2:47 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade Carpenter and Dallas' pick no. 22 to Cincy (who needs LB's) for its No. 9 pick overall. Use No.9 pick to select WR/Returner D. Jackson (California).
Keep Spears.

Posted by CowGirls @ 2:49 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade them both.

Posted by CowGirls @ 2:49 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade them both.

Posted by gwill13 @ 3:00 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

notafootballdummy IS a footballdummy...Take a look @ Detroit's LB corps....Ernie Sims and....and...and....may as well be you and a buddy!! All i'm sayin is we have something they need, they have something we want. Carp will never have an impact for this team but he still has value for any 4-3 team, especially one in need of LBs...You don't have to give up the house for Roy, (Moss was traded for a 4th) and Detroit has to get something for him...in this situation Detroit has no leverage unless another club wants to pony up a 1 but that ain't happening!!! Let's just say I have "insider info" regarding Roy and a draft day deal is a 70/30 possibility...Carpenter and a 3rd rounder can get the deal done...After Roy got injured Detroit woulda took Columbo and a late round selection!!!! (That was the initial feeler offer)...be good dummy (ok maybe I reached with a 3rd for Spears...keep him for depth if you wanna)

Posted by JR @ 3:00 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

If you're moving into the top 10, get the corner from Kansas, Kalib, not a WR.

Posted by David @ 3:07 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Spears is a quality 3-4 end who has not really stood out (but is young and presumably talented), and Carpenter has shown flashes, but has had trouble with aggressiveness and stopping the run, if I recall correctly. If the best we can do is a day 2 pick for either, then I'd say keep them. They're both pretty young. 2nd round pick, or a package for a player we can use now (Roy Williams, maybe Javon Walker) and I'd have to consider it.

Posted by gwill13 @ 3:11 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Everyone who says "sign Asante Samuel..." listen up: NO ONE PAYS TWO CORNERS IN EXCESS OF 80 MILLION DOLARS!!!! If your plan includes not re-signing Terence Newman, fine. But if you plan on keeping Newman YOU CAN'T HAVE SAMUEL TOO!!! This ain't baseball...go back to the Rangers message board, booger-eatin' mouth-breather!!!! No monopoly money used here...

Posted by DetroitFan @ 3:13 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

There is NO way Detroit trades Roy Williams for anything less than a number 1. I don't care who your "insider info" is. Put the pipe down.....Dallas garbage AND a third rounder for a Pro Bowl receiver in his prime??!!?? HAHAHA

Posted by Joe @ 3:19 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

i say send spears and ss roy willliams to detroit for wr roy williams and maybe a 2nd round pick...keep carpenter, he is a good special teams guy and doesn't complain...plus good lb depth...ayodele is playing like crap but no one is wanting him traded...

Posted by gwill13 @ 3:22 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

think again DetroitFan...don't forget who you GM is (that deserves a laugh!!!)...you prolly think Detroit will re-sign him (another knee-slapper)...I'll sit here in Odessa and hold my breath with you waiting on that #1 pick to be offered by anyone....Roy even knows that won't happen!! FYI - I think I put the pipe down in Millen's office...ya'll have fun!!!

Posted by Bill Ireland @ 3:32 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

I'd trade Roy Williams, let T-New walk, get rid of Carpenter and Spears and Kosier. All those guys are losers and don't have a winning character.

Posted by gwill13 @ 3:41 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Mike Lynn - Just watch the games, buy jerseys, and snuggle up next to wifey in your double wide with your 12 pack of Natural Lite...feel free to throw cans and scream at you 19 inch boob tube...I blow my nose with your opinion....Have A Great Day!!

Posted by James in CA @ 3:45 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Spears shouldn't even be starting as it is, Hatcher is better, but because Spears is a #1 pick they have to play him for fear of looking stupid. I'm not sure he's a bust, but he certainly isn't great at this point. But do we know what he is supposed to be doing on every play?? He was the starting DE for the #8 defense in the league.
As for Carpenter, I'm not sure, we're not going to get anything from either of them in a trade. How do we know he couldn't play inside, how long is Akin's contract, what is he Burnett or Akin go down in training camp, Carpenter would be a nice alternative then a 5th or 6th round pick that may not make the team.

Quit the pipe dream of trading for Williams or Fitz in AZ, we signed Crayton to a long term deal, I bet we get another 2 to 3 year extension with TO and we'll draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd round this year. Let's just hope we get the right one.

Posted by Romo sucks @ 3:46 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

leave it to retarded cowrag fans to conjure up Crappy Carpenter for Roy Williams, the dumbest thing I have ever read, Carpenter sucks, Roy Willimas would be the best player on your overrated team. Here's a deal you might find, Carpenter for a bag of used ass wipe towels.

Posted by dave @ 3:51 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Thank god you're not the cowboy GM bill ireland, what would you know about a players winning character, what exactly is winning character!!!!

Posted by mike @ 4:07 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

trade bobby carpenter to the colts for like a 3rd round pick and trade spears to miami for 2nd round pick

Posted by Jason @ 4:16 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Just curious, if these players are as bad as everyone here makes them out to be, why do you think Miami (or any other team) would want them?

Posted by MikeInUkraine @ 5:10 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

First thing I want to say is that I believe Spears is every bit as good as Russel Maryland was who was taken #1 overall. He plays strong side in a 3-4 where it isn't expected to be a real flashy position for grabbing a lot of sacks. He is expected to plug up the run and I think he has done a good job of that. I think he is the kind of player you don't notice until he's gone and the defense starts getting gashed by the running game on his former side.

Having said all that, I would package him and Carpenter along with #28 (#22 if necessary) to move all the way up to the top of the draft and take McFadden. You can throw in Terry Glenn too just to keep Bill Parcells company with one of his guys. Heck, he can have Jason Ferguson too if he needs even more.

Fact is, Parcells wasn't present on draft day this year or they may not have drafted Spencer. He may have elected to go with Carpenter in place of Ellis. Parcells coaches a different kind of 3-4 afterall and he may have seen enough in the Detroit and Seattle games at the end of that season to go with him.

Last point, don't under estimate Bill Parcell's ego. If he thought Bobby Carpenter could be an effective 3-4 linebacker he might want to show the world he was right.

Posted by JB @ 5:13 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Carpenter is a good player he just isn't able to produce here in Dallas with all our great LB's. I think Carpenter can be a very good MLB on a 4-3 defense. I'd trade him and a lower draft pick for a really good running back with speed to help MBIII bolster the running game. I'd try and recover a better draft pick for Spears to a team that needs help stopping the run. Spears is a good player who can hold up against the run, but isn't very good in pass situations.

Posted by Wayne Hampton @ 5:28 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Funny thing, but weren't both of these guys "BIG BILL" first round picks ??? Seems he gets a lot of credit for "rebuilding" the Cowboys, but very little blame for throwing away key draft picks. Good luck Dolphins !

Posted by Ami @ 5:30 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Bobby C:
- did not pan out, was not a 3-4 fit (Why did Bill draft his fomer player's son then?)
- has skills, played well in 2006 in playoff against Seattle and generally when given a chance
- great fit for a 4-3 team (see AJ Hawk in GB)
- knows playbook on both inside and outside, and is a solid special teamer, so he does have value if you keep him
--> lucky to get a 2nd round choice but could probably get a high to mid 3rd for sure

Spears:
- again, not going to get 1st rounder here
- he played pretty well as a 3-4 lineman, but would probably get replaced as a starter next year by Ratliff or someone.
- would provide depth in the rotation and I would think is still cheap for salary cap purposes
--> Should be able to get a low 2nd round choice or high 3rd for him

both these players have value on the Cowboys because they are young, athletic, cheap, and know the system. If you trade them, let's make sure we either get high enough value in the draft so that maybe we can package those picks to trade up further to get an impact player; or trade them to get an impact player off of a current roster. I would give those two plus a lot more for Larry Fitz in AZ. Not sure about Roy Williams in Detroit though ... I am just not as high on him.

Posted by Jon Mark @ 5:54 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade Spears,Carpenter,Williams and the #22 to Denver for Walker and the #12. That gives Dallas a #12 and #30 to trade with Tuna for their #1 and draft McFadden. Denver also feels All three of their most glaring needs both teams win on this one.

Posted by jon @ 6:33 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

dave in austin if you are so sure it happens why dont you give an example,and anyone who thinks carpenter is worth anything more than a 6th rounder needs to wake up. Anyone who thinks spears is worth a pick at all is crazy and the same things goes for williams. Nobody wants garbage players and thats what they are offering. 4th and carpenter for roy williams? please you couldnt get him for barber. wake up ppl. you should get rid of ellis he gets hurt every year and hamlin will walk if you dont pay him. barber's contract is gonna mess dallas up if they dont hurry up and if they dont i pray some team offers a ridiculous contract just to make dallas pay him more then they will realize why they should of signed him before that choker romo

Posted by jon @ 6:36 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

jon mark ur a moron wake the hell up gm's aren't dumb like you are!

Posted by screwyougwillyoumoron @ 6:47 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

lol@ romo sucks------thats about the truth. they trying to trade garbage for gold. that doesnt work. last time i checked most special team players are selected in the 6th or 7th round and that is what crappyboy is worth. roy and the fat guy have no value

Posted by Raul @ 6:55 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade Bobby Carpenter and Keith Van Horn for Cleo Lemon.

Posted by Jerry @ 7:00 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

No one will trade anything or anyone for these players. If the Cowboys don't feel they fit, the players will be released and their salaries will be saved. That's it.

Posted by drhorton @ 7:34 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Gee, either I am drunk, you guys are drunk, or a little of both.

I have some beach front property in Missouri I will sell you cheap if this is the way you guys do business. Sure it is on the Mississippi, but what the hell, all the beach front property on the ocean has been sold.

Bottom line, Carpenter and Spears are not big salary cap expenses for 2008. Better to keep them then give them away for a rookie that can't contribute to a playoff team. IF (big if) we could trade Carp and 2nd rounder for WR Roy, I say go for it. Other than that, keep Carp.

Anyone that thinks the Tuna will give you more than that, I want some of what you are drinking.

Posted by RAMS FAN @ 7:38 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

WHO CCARS ABOUT BOBEE CARPINTOR OR MARKUS STEATRS? THEY COULDN EVEN PLAY SPECCAL TEEM FOR THE RAMS! I TINHK NIK FOULK COUL BE A BITTER LINEBAKER THAN BOBB CAPONTEER AND A BETTER ENND THAT MARCS SPEERS. THE RAMS LINE WLLL WIPEE THESE GUYS OUT EVERY TIM. COWCHOKES BEWARD!

SCOREBOARD RAMS!

Posted by Jon R @ 7:52 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Karen & Brittney to Miami for Jeff Ireland & Gloria Estafan.

Posted by blue star @ 8:03 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Why is everyone down on Bobby Carpenter? He has not really been given a fair shot to play except
for special teams. Does someone have an explanation? Please respond

Posted by Bob @ 9:56 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Trade them to Philadelphia for Reggie Brown then the Cowboys would get a young receiver in return.

Posted by dave in austin @ 10:07 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Jon - It happens to any player getting traded with one hear left on their contract... Clinton Portis and Champ Bailey had new contacts in place before they were traded. That's why they are traded... they also work out a deal with the new team.

Posted by Jon Mark @ 10:29 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Jon, so my trade proposal, its unrealistic but it could happen who is the idiot gm in this trade Dallas or Denver. Both Spears and Carpenter haven't lived up to their first round status and are being paid first round money, and javon walker wants out yeah he's got a injured knee but if he's cleared medically then you get your self a weapon and you have a legit chance at McFadden with the 2 first rounders and some more. Ryan or Brohm one will fall to 12 for the Dolphins to take and everyone is happy, The End, you didn't propose a better trade so what have you got Einstien

Posted by RobL @ 10:58 PM Tue, Jan 22, 2008

Since that fat idiot Tuna thought these two spares were worth 1st round picks before, he should trade Miami's #1 picks in both 2008 and 2009 for them now then right? I mean, he is a genius isn't he? And besides, he's raided the Cowboys front office and coaching staff to stock his Dolphins team as it is, so he might as well complete the job. He owes the Cowboys at least that much...

Posted by CowboysSuck @ 12:56 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

It doesn't matter what the Cowboys get for these guys because they will just choke in the playoffs again, if they make it. Congratulations on yet another year of not winning a playoff game. The Texans are going to be the real Texas team next year!

Posted by BA @ 2:13 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

Trade Carpenter to Miami for a 1st round pick.

He and Parcells can talk with his old man about old times.

Posted by dallus1 @ 4:36 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

Can we add Ayodele in the trade. Go back and Tivo some of the Boys' December games. Ayodele stinks!!! Watch him get blown away against the Giants. He is terrible. I'd trade him before Carpenter. Give Carp a chance. The guy was the best Defensive Player on the field the last game he started against the Seahawks in the playoffs.

Posted by BlueStarDude @ 7:04 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

I don't see the point in trading Spears for anything lower than a third rounder. Even if he loses his starting job to Ratliff as he should, you can't just throw away depth like that. What if Ratliff gets hurt? Or Ferguson gets hurt again - he ain't a spring chicken you know. Spears might not have met expectations, but he can still contribute to a team, just not on the level he was originally drafted at.

There are some 3-4 defenses that can improve by adding him: the Jets, Browns, and 49ers, all come to mind right away. Spears for a third rounder seems right to me, because these teams know they're getting someone who can come in and start and not be a liability, whereas any third rounder (any draft pick really) is going to be a major question mark.

As for Carpenter, he clearly has the physical skills and may just need some more actual playing time to put it together - why wouldn't a team with basically no linebacking corps, like the Bengals with our good buddy Mike Zimmer, not use a third rounder on that? Again, Jerry can't trade for less than that because otherwise he's just throwing away depth.

As for the other Roy Williams: I would gladly trade one of our first round picks for him, especially now that the young CB from Troy, Leodis McKelvin, is going to shoot up the draft board and be a top-10 or at worst top-15 pick.

Posted by necro @ 10:36 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

I say don't get rid of either of them because what you get in return is not going to be worth the depth on your chart you will lose. I just don't think anyone gives up starters for two non starters. I think Spears is as good as he will ever be, so let's upgrade the position and attempt to acquire a legit NFL starter there like Spears is not. Spears could then be depth at both DE positions. I think the NFL jury is still out for one more year on Carp before a sound decision can be made on him. We all now know that neither of them were worth a first round pick and so does the rest of the NFL so most of these Miracle Trades just won't happen. Stock this depth and upgrade their positions.

Posted by JJGM (Not!) @ 11:41 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

Another example of Jerrah trying to make his decision the right ones ... Err how about trading Roy Williams for a cup of coffee?

With respect to Carpenter, he played well in Seattle as a 3-4 SOLB. Phillips buried him when Jerry drafted Spencr and moved him (again) to ILB.

Face it. Jerry wants to run the show and Phillips is his puppett fool.

BUT HEY, if you are not using them might as well trade them. Just that the decision by Jerrah are motivated by ego and not brains.

Posted by JJGM (Not!) @ 11:45 AM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

... and what about Wade putting in schemes around Players as opposed to evil Parcells? Carpenter is a SOLB and Spears is a 4-3 DT or NT.

LOL. These two morons in charge we are back to 5-11 by 2010.

Who in the NFL trades two 1st rounders this quickly unless they have an agenda? Errrrr, no one with a brain.

Posted by DT @ 2:27 PM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

Spears has not reached his peak. He's a 3-4 DE his job is to stop the run not rush the passer. Some of you need to know a little bit more about how the DE's job in 3-4 defense work. Spears is better than Canty any day of the week.

Posted by Gary @ 4:14 PM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

Some of the ludicrous deals listed above make Jerry Jones' managerial skills look like genius in comparison.

Posted by L. Linsey @ 5:06 PM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

So many armchair geniuses. Any of you "gooroos" remember what Tom Landry felt was an important rule concerning young players and a rule Parcells swearsa by?

Didn't think so.

"Young players get THREE years before you reach a verdict on them."

Carpenter has two under his belt. He's going to be very attractive to some team (perhaps the Dolphins)
since Parcells had not given upon him.

Posted by GetRoyoutofDetroit @ 9:03 PM Wed, Jan 23, 2008

Talk about what a dream that would be. Favorite player is Roy (WR) and favorite team is the Cowboys.

TO and Roy lined up on the sides. Not many teams have a combo. like that when both players try their hardest and at full health.

Posted by dee @ 4:27 PM Thu, Jan 24, 2008

sheet trade spears and carp and 28 round pick for ROY WILLIAMAS would be a dream but it makes since

Posted by dee @ 4:29 PM Thu, Jan 24, 2008

sheet trade spears and carp and 28 round pick for ROY WILLIAMAS would be a dream but it makes since

Posted by colorado kool aid @ 6:38 PM Fri, Jan 25, 2008

"How about Spears, Carpenter and our 2nd 1st Rounder for the other Roy Williams?"

That's wayyyyyy to much -- never give up that much for Roy Williams.

Posted by Consider This. @ 7:27 PM Fri, Jan 25, 2008

lets put it like this fellas. asante will never be a cowboy. (how about pacman?) we dont need mcfadden, we have marion the barbarian. all we need is to complement him with somebody thats not julius jones, 28th pick. (slaton, mendenhall, stewart?) trade our 22nd 1st round pick and akin ayodele to det. for *tex* roy williams. with our 2nd rounder pick up vince hall *VT* to be a speedy and ruthless force with ware/james/spencer. (fastest cover linebacker core in the NFL). about ellis, leave him for sub-packages with spencer and ware. keep carpenter as our special teams enforcer. spears is doing his thing, give him time...hes still young. get rid of ferg. (sorry buddy, injury prone) CUT JAQUES REEVES or trade for 3rd rounder to anybody. very promising defense and offense for years to come.

Posted by elajr45 @ 6:29 AM Sat, Jan 26, 2008

Carpenter is the next Vrabel; go ahead trade him which is stupid. Samething happened to Vrabel in Pittsburgh. Carpenter just needs the opportunity to play like he did in the playoff game against Seattle 2 years ago.

Spears needs to lose weight because he is slow off the ball. Watch the playoff game against the Giants and Spears is the slowest lineman.

My opinion is we work with these guys and don't trade them. Go ahead send them to Miami were Tuna and Sparano will coach these players to pro bowlers. Just like Cowher did to Vrabel!!

Posted by Johnny @ 10:36 AM Sat, Jan 26, 2008

THE FOOL-PROOF PLAN: trade carpenter for a first-round pick, then trade spears for another first-round pick. Then we will have four first-round picks. Package all of these picks to Miami for the first pick in the draft. BAM!

Posted by cowboy128 @ 12:09 PM Sat, Jan 26, 2008

If New England traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss, then, the Cowboys should expect to receive the rights to any division III player that the acquiring team is thinking about signing during free agency.

They might also throw in a ham sandwich with stale bread.

Posted by Fred Smoot @ 1:40 PM Sat, Jan 26, 2008

You guys are funny...

The lions will not take anything less than both your 1st AND a STARTER...plus future considerations for Roy Williams....

For those who think he will walk your way next year...check out the Franchise Tag rule...the lions have used it more than any other team and will again if need be

Posted by F1n15ha @ 4:42 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008

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Posted by DAVE @ 7:09 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008

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Posted by DAVE @ 7:20 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008

KEEP BOBBY CARP TRADE HENRY N ELLIS N A 4TH PICK FOR CHAD JOHNSON 2 A 2ND PICK THEN PACK SPEARS N A 3RD 4 WIT AKIN 4 A TOP PICK THEN GET TRUFANT OR JAMMER N TURNER FROM SD N JARED ALLEN N THATS A SUPER BOWL 4 MY COWBOYS O YEA 28PICK N ROY N FUTURE PICK 4 ED REED JERRY SIGN ME PLEASE IM A COWBOY 4 LIFE

Posted by Tim @ 10:24 PM Wed, Jan 30, 2008

OK guys, lets evaluate our needs. then the pros and cons of them. Number one priority is depth in our secondary. Reeves could possibly leave to be a number 2 this year somewhere in the NFL. So most likely Jerry and Wade will use at least one of our firsts on a cornerback, if they dont already go after someone in free agency. He will immediatly conttribute as a nickel, and corners usually are able to contribute more than a rookie wide reciever, esp. on this Cowboy team. What would be a plus is if we could get a good multi-position player like the CB Jenkins, that can play a little CB and play some Safety like Pat Watkins in some sub packages. This will also make our love/hate Roy Williams look better all around.

Now depending if Terry Glenn decides to have his surgery, which will most likely end his long great career, the smartest way to go about wide reciever depth is to make a trade around the league. When we go about that, we have alot of options.

1. Spears is a great player, not an impact player, but you have to be reminded that in the 3-4 the ends don't get as much action as you would think. They actually drafted him to take the place of Greg, since they moved Greg to linebacker. He is a big body, that is efficient enough to keep. Now Granted we have Ratliff that is now ready to start, it doesn't mean we can not keep them both though. Really I don't think they will end up trading him at all.

2. To me the most likely trade would be will Bobby. Bobby is a great player. Others already said that he hasnt had enough play time. Wade also said that he regretted not giving him enough this season. He is too young to be a bust. It took Bradie a long time to start, Bradie has even commented on his and Carpenters situation.

For Bobby most likely we would trade the 2nd 1st round draft pick, which ever hadnt been used yet. It will most likely be the Browns one though. Depending if we could pull off a steal like Moss, Bobby and the other first would be a solid trade to any team. Roy Williams, would be a great fit, as well as Chad Johnson, Fitzgerald. As long as he is a solid started, and fairly young, I think it would work out alright.

Then we could pick up a 2nd Round running back. No big deal.

Then again, anything could happen. Jerry is a crazy risk taker. But you have to believe in him, and that he knows what he is doing, he did draft, aikman, emmit, and michael, ya know?

Posted by cody @ 4:17 PM Thu, Jan 31, 2008

all the cowboys need to do is trade carpenter,crayton( who did not show up in the playoffs) and the 22nd pick for ocho cinco! haha it could happen because there is a riff between him and cincy and he wants to be on a team that will contend. Sam hurd is just as good as crayton so he would fit in as the third reciever. whatever we do we better not give up marion baber!

Posted by Joel Cantu @ 1:41 AM Mon, Feb 04, 2008

The Boys don't need much to win a Super Bowl. With JJ publicly saying how much he wants Mcfadden, I see that trade happening. Though I love Marion the Barbarian, he just is not a gamebreaker and doesn't pose the home run threat. Mcfadden does.

And in regards to the Roy Williams trade, Detroit may end up with nothing next year bc he is an unrestricted free agent and he's said he wants to be back in Tx. Hmm, great team here in Dallas, Roy is from Odessa, could be on a lethal Wr tandem, has a premier Qb. The math has him here in the future.

Posted by Captain Charisma @ 6:08 PM Sun, Feb 10, 2008

Why is nobody saying the obvious? The Cowboys need linebackers. For a 3-4 to work you need great linebackers. Other than Ware I don't trust the core. DO NOT TRADE FOR MCFADDEN! That is just retarded. We have a great running back with Marion Barber. We really need both 1st round picks. Draft another cornerback, and stud linebacker. Use our second round pick for some depth on the O line, and make a big splash with the free agent market. Bring in an experienced back up running back, and Wide Reciever. Trading Roy Williams could be huge. He is still valuable, trade him for a player like Asante Samuel. Then move Anthony Henry to safety. You do all of that. And all of the sudden Cowboys are favorites for teh super bowl in my book.

ps. is what would happen if you took q and r out of the alphabet

Posted by Devin @ 2:53 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Well there have been so many rumors about us letting MB3 go to Miami along with our 1st rounders for the 1st overall. I think we should sign Julius Jones for a deal since is a UFA, send these 2 with Jones and a 2nd and 4th pick for the Phins first. Essentially you're getting 3 former first rounders, a 2nd round and 4th round pick... for 1 guy who may or may not be a bust.

Posted by Nick @ 2:47 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Trade 'em both to a team that has those needs like Atlanta. They have a 4-3 scheme and aren't happy with lob demorrio williams, carpenter will fit right in. They could also use spears, or any DT for that reason, and spears might be better off in a 4-3 as a DT tackle. Atlanta's d-back field is a mess, so they might take Roy Williams too. DeAngelo Hall isn't happy and would like to play for a winner. These three players might merrit Hall and a mid draft pick. This would allow Henry to comfortanly male the move back to FS and Hamlin could easily play SS better than Roy (we must sign Hamlin back).