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Posted by Joshua @ 3:15 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I usually like your stuff Archer, but this seems a little too far-fetched.

Much of the reason Hamlin signed with the Cowboys, aside from our lack of depth at safety, was because the Cowboys already showed a history of rewarding players who play great on one-yr contracts (Gurode).

As players hate the franchise tag, I believe Hamlin and his agent (the same as Gurode's) would feel betrayed by the Cowboys and it would ruin Hamlin's currently sky high morale.

Posted by Money Shot @ 3:20 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Considering the team has more depth at tackle than safety I would concur. I think Pat Watkins would be able to step in for Hamlin in 2009.

If Flo is not willing to sign for a team friendly contract then we should pursue let McQuistan or Marten battle it out. OR...How much would a tackle like Jordan Gross command in the free agent market? With Gross you get a solid tackle who becomes great under Hudson Hauck and Romo and Barber...yes, Romo and Barber make the linemen on this team better.

Posted by Sean @ 3:22 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Disagree Joshua. I think Hamlin and his agent know the way the game works. They would understand the franchise tag was simply used to lock him up while the two sides worked on a long-term deal.

I like Flozell, but at his price you have to let him go and trust your draft. You have three tackles waiting for their shot, while we have NO depth at safety. Give McQuistan first crack at the job then go to Marten or Free.

You have to pick and choose who you spend your money on and because of the lack of safety depth, Hamlin is the choice.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 3:38 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

didn't Hamlin get the "stop sign tag©" applied to his noggin several years ago outside a bar in Seattle?...HA HA HA©...Hail to the Redskins©!!!...

Posted by whip @ 3:40 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I would still franchise Flo. I think if they don't keep him, the offense will really struggle. Wade might panic and move Bigg Davis to tackle and then we're weak at 2 positions.

Also, just saw that Trent Green was cut in Miami's D-Day. Might be a better backup than Brad.

Posted by Joshua @ 3:40 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I'm sorry, but none of us know Flo's price. According to both sources, the two sides haven't even talked. The only thing I've read is that Flo wants to stay so nobody outside of Flo and his agent knows how much it will take to keep him.

As for franchising Hamlin, he is the precise type of player you would want to sign long term. He just played a pro bowl season. He's a valuable veteran, but not too old to be worried. He's a team leader and "QB in the secondary."

Leadership and value from a player are things that are most easily affected when a player isn't happy with his situation and has low morale.

Franchise tag is bad news anyway. The Cowboys have had a good practice of no franchise tags, and they should try to continue that streak.

Posted by Troy @ 3:47 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I'd prefer to get him to a long term deal but if worst comes to worst I think this would please everyone.

Posted by Troy @ 3:47 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I'd prefer to get him to a long term deal but if worst comes to worst I think this would please everyone.

Posted by redskins suck @ 3:50 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

hey redsins rule. Nice safeties- Doughty? Laron "personal foul" Landry. You're an utter moron.

Posted by WilliamC @ 3:57 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Simple solution:

(1) you let flozell go and trust one of the three young guys can do the job. You cant keep everyone,
you have to take some risks.
(2) You sign Hamlin to a 4 or 5 year deal with a big bonus up front but small salaries for 2008 and 2009. That way you get out a lot cheaper on the cap for 2008 than the 4.4 million it would cost to franchise him, and you know you are going to sign him long term anyway, so just do it.

Posted by Bill in DC @ 4:04 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

WilliamC,

Pile all the bonuses into 2010. Most likely this will be an 'uncapped' year because the owners may 'opt out' of the current CBA 2 years early (we'll know on Nov 8, 2008 because that's when it only takes 9 of them to terminate the CBA in 2010 instead of 2012).

Posted by Adam @ 4:09 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Flo is awesome , but is way expensive. No franchise tag for that reason alone. If he wants to stay in Dallas, he will take a discount. Hamlin has been very impressive, and has earned a big contract. No deal yet for him, so I smell franchise tag. Hopefully he'll be smart and realize its only to lock him on our team to give us time to work out a nice contract.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 4:11 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

when Jerry opens the new stadium tribute to himself will he be bringing the bronze statue of Landry to his new play-pen?...will there be a new bronze statue of Jerry right behind the Landry statue posing Jerry inserting a knife into Landry's back©?...how about a statue of Jimmy sitting with a big ole chesire cat grin on his face with a grip a fan could easily insert a real empty green Heineken bottle into...HA HA HA©...Hail to the Redskins©!!!...

Posted by Mike @ 4:12 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Seems like Redskins Rule is related to Timmy Mac as she is always referring to him and whining to him anytime someone talks about her. She should pay attention to her own team a little more. The Redskins are 21 million over the cap, they are old on the o-line and d-line they have a fragile QB and a TE who looks like Wil Ferrell. They also have a head coach who has accomplished nothing as a coach and an owner who has owned the team for 10 years and is on his 6th coach. After writing all of that, now I understand why she spends so much time on a Cowboys Blog, obviously it is because she has nothing to look forward to rooting for her Deadskins. Ha Ha Ha. Timmy Mac tell your relative to keep smoking whatever it is she is smoking.

Posted by Mr BILL (in_DC) @ 4:16 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Redskins_Rule

Saw your question about Tim Burns in "Maxie's lineage" and posted answer there.

code: breaker-three-eight (old code tres-uno), please don't play B17.

ooh Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......... you did

Posted by chris graham @ 4:30 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

i bet hamlin have more interceptions than sean taylor.HA HA HA...how bout dem COWBOYS

Posted by CowboysFanInNYC @ 4:37 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

The window to get to the superbowl doesn't stay open very long, so we need to keep both, even if it means we stay quiet in free agency (There are no upgrades at those positions in FA). We just need to draft some talent in the secondary and some speed for our WR and RB positions.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 4:40 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Kemoh Sahbe...figured the disappearance out...no 1000 word postings recently...got smoke signal re that...illuminate B17...use Potter smoke if necessary...Biscuits and Gravy/over&out...

Posted by Lew @ 4:50 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

The new coaches will have some say perhaps. If Campo can form a strong bond with Hamlin then you have to get 4-5 years setup. If not then you need to protect the Club from a long term deal. Hudson and Flo could work toward the best line we have had around here in a long time, or not. This chemistry between our new coaches and these players is critcal to the consideration of any player contract.

Posted by Charles - ATL @ 4:51 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

well said CowboysFanInNYC.....it's really that simple of an approach. And I think Jerry will try to make his splash mainly in the draft with the RB and WR....and maybe still make a smaller splash via a low-risk gamble on the knucklehead Pacman if he's reinstated.

Posted by Scott @ 4:56 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Hamlin had a nice year and it would be great to keep him around but I honestly doubt that he is a consistent Pro Bowl caliber player. I would not franchise him.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 5:10 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

here's something fun that you Cow-Pies can do to amuse yourselves...call up a Tobacco shop and ask if they have Prince Albert Breer in a can©...when they answer "yes" you say "well, you better let him out before he suffocates!!!"...HA HA HA©...Hail to the Redskins©!!!...

Posted by JessicaKilledTheBoys2007 @ 5:12 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

The cap is going up $8-9 million this year...so it won't eat up all the cap space...thanks for chiming in Archer....

Posted by Bill_and_Ted_in_Phone_Booth_in_DC @ 5:33 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Prince Albert BREER in the can.....

Had to read twice to catch that one, then ROTFLMAO.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 5:39 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I knew you'd like that one Kemoh Sahbe...HA HA HA©...Hail to the Redskins©!!!...

Posted by L. J., Fla. @ 6:05 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

One thing is certain, the Cowpunchers can't sew up every one. Might they not be better to operate simular to NE; tht is let the high price players migrate, and sign ligetimate young players? Just asking.

Posted by Griff @ 6:21 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Hamlin is younger and costs less. He should be priority one. Offer Adams a contract around 7 million for three years. If he takes it fine, if not let him move on.

Posted by The Eagles Soar @ 6:34 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

why not sign the guy who rag dolled Hamlin down in that dark alley and then proceeded to play whack-a-mole on his melon with that Yield sign? That guy could at least play special teams, an area of need for you guys. Come to think of it, that guy should put that sign with Hamlin's head indention in the middle up for auction on Ebay. I know of a Deadskins_Drule fan who would make a bid.

Posted by Kemoh Sahbe @ 6:42 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Kemoh Sahbe say Redskins_Rule is idiot.

Posted by Mike G @ 6:49 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

A quick question. Hudson Houck coached the Dolphins O-Line last year and today the cut OT LJ Shelton. Could the Cowboys sign Shelton, let Flo go and use Shelton as insurance in case Free or Mcquistan do not work out?

Posted by chris graham @ 6:55 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

joe gibbs teeth on e-bay $19.99,Sean taylors last crack pipe on e-bay $20.00

Posted by Tonto @ 7:01 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

^^^ Fake Kemoh Sahbe Above ^^^

Kemoh Sahbe not say that
Kemoh Sahbe tell Tonto
Then Tonto post for Kemo Sabe
Kemoh Sahbe never post byself

Fake Kemoh Sahbe must be Bill_in_DC

Posted by Hap @ 7:46 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Todd,
I like it except the re-work part. Sign Hammy to a longterm deal and be done with it.He'll bring reasonable demands to the table.

Abandon the Captcha, only because it doesn't work on "Redbutted_Rulesthecellar", who refuses to address his teams issues. Loser's got 6 posts on this issue alone.You are a loser, dude.We have you pegged as a 5'6"overweight accountant, complete with pocket protector,2.3 kids, a dog who left and a wife who hates him as much as he hates his life.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're not even funny. We stopped reading when we see the R-R and we thank God it's at the top.

Posted by Jim Burns @ 9:02 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

I think that the only thing Jerry needs to do is turn the reigns over to Bill in Dc. He is clearly over qualified for the job. Its not often in life that you meet someone who knows the answer to EVERYTHING.

Jim Burns
San Angelo

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 9:32 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Hap appears to be drinking his "good" scotch whiskey tonight...the kind that comes in a clear plastic bottle and says White Front across the label...HA HA HA©...Hail to the Redskins©!!!...don't worry Kemoh Sahbe...I'm wearing my see through glasses you can buy at the end of Haps books/errrrrrrrr magazines...saw fake Kemoh from "2 counties way"...

Posted by Kemoh Sahbe @ 10:11 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Kemoh Sahbe say Redskins_Rule better go get her eyes checked.

Posted by Bill in DC @ 10:22 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

Mike G

Doubtful. I think if they are at all hesitant about Free or McQuistan, they resign Flo.

The Panthers just released Mike Whale who is older but still one 'whale' of a guard (pun intended). He would give them the option of switching Davis to LT and letting Flo go. In any case, if h e can b had for reasonable dollars he would add some nice depth.

Well, okay, I'm pimping for Whale to some extent because he went to Navy, my alma mater. We don't have many players in the NFL.

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 10:55 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

too vague Kemoh Sahbe...assist please...send Potter smoke if needed...Bill in DC...hmmmmmmm...your about as credible as Roger Clemens' lawyer on your last post...probably not the "real" Bill in DC...if you want to play just say so...

Posted by Fantasy GM @ 11:30 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

If we are talking about trading up in the draft and possibly trading for the other Roy Williams, why not go after Chad Johnson instead. Mr Ocho Cinco himself?

Looks like little Danny Snider wants him a #1 WR. Dallas would be a perfect fit for Ocho Cinco.

Numerous league sources" tell the Washington Post that the Redskins are interested in trading for Chad Johnson.

Sources say...

Here we go. Two sources say Johnson is "eager" to get a new contract from the Redskins, confirming that Chad's main beef with the Bengals is about money. With a coaching staff almost fully in place, owner Dan Snyder's top priority is known to be acquiring a No. 1 receiver. While the Bengals aren't interested in moving Johnson currently, sources tell the Post that agent Drew Rosenhaus is actively working to broker a deal. It's believed the Bengals would ask for two second-round picks, or a late first and a third. Feb. 11 - 11:28 pm et
Source: Washington Post

We could do better than that, how bout Spears and Carpenter for Ocho Cinco. We could work a deal, Cincy needs Def.?

Posted by Redskins_Rule @ 11:46 PM Mon, Feb 11, 2008

OK...lets get it on Bi#thces© [actually Tim Burns should be credited with that copywrite]...

"Sources say"...

I'm an NFL source now [Cowboys blog, HA HA HA]; Bill in D.C. is an NFL source [he should be running both the Cowboys and Redskins, just ask him]; Dumbledore is an NFL source [God I miss his wisdom]; Hap's an NFL source [more sober than Galloway on most occasions, or is that Luksa?]; hell even the West Texas Tazmanian Devil Tim Burns is an NFL source [where is that stinker pot]!!!...Ocho Stinko does not fit in with this team...if there were ever a pipe dream how about Fitzgerald from ARI?...now there's a jump ball master that Romo could look towards while T.O. can continue running the more courageous slants...[the "real" RW and Fitz don't do these routes fellas...its not in their contracts!!!]...

HA HA HA©...Hail to the Redskins©!!!...

p.s.
R we playing now TMAC?...

Posted by Redsinks_Rue_the_Day @ 2:05 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Does Albert think Wes Welker should be named the Patriots' franchise player?
If not, shut up!
Mind your own Yankee bidness.

Posted by Otis Campbell @ 2:08 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

The Burns Brothers get no copyright whatsoever.
As a matter of fact, I may sue them for infringement of RUN C&W...and they know what I'm talking about!

Back Off, Burns! ...or I'll cut ya!

Posted by dallas fan @ 6:43 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Football is fun and games, and I am a big Cowboy fan, but lets please have some respect for Sean Taylor and his family on the postings.

Posted by Darren Warner @ 7:06 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

It all depends on whether they can sign Hamlin to a long-term deal before they have to designate a franchise player. If they can, then they need to, and still reserve the tag for Adams. But if not, I agree that Hamlin is more valuable to the team than Adams, and should be given the franchise tag if a contract cannot be worked out with either player.

Posted by Trey @ 8:41 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

It's just a fact that no player wants the franchise tag, so anyone who thinks Hamlin or Flo would be motivated if they get slapped with it... is DEAD WRONG. Every player knows that if they get slapped with the franchise tag, and then have a career ending injury... they will never get the big pay day they worked so hard for.
We do need to work out a long term deal with Hamlin. I wouldn't mind working out a deal with Flo, if the money and years of the contract is right.
As for the cap... just a thought... I really like Roy Williams the person, but I am not impressed with RW the player. Either move him to a nickel LB or cut the guy, he is a liability. Then package Bobby Carpenter, Marcus Spears, and Anthony Fasano to Miami (they are all BP guys), and a 6th round pick to Miami for their 2nd round pick. I think that Curtis can step in for Fasano now. It is apparent that Wade doesn't like Bobby, however in BP's last game against Seattle, Bobby played like a mad man. He was all over the field and I'm sure BP will remember that. Marcus will help BP switch that team to his style.
Those moves will help out a little with cap space and net us another first day pick. Then in the first round, we draft the best two CB's that come to us. Hopefully,two of these players fall to us at those picks (Jenkins, Rogers-Cromartie, McKelvin, Tribble, Talib). That will help us address the CB position and allow Henry to make the switch to safety to replace Roy. Then with the second round pick we get from the Dolphins, we draft Quentin Groves (DE from Auburn) to replace Marcus in the rotation. With our second and third we can draft the RB and WR our offense needs. This draft is deep at RB, and WR's can be had throughout the draft (for example Patrick Crayton and Marques Colston were late round picks), or pick up Javon Walker, or Benard Berrian in free agency.
Just a thought !!!

Posted by Gary @ 9:07 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Redskins_Fule: Its surprising how stupid you are. I'm sure you're looking forward to high school someday, hence your free time spent here. Good luck 10 years from now when you discover girls are more fun than other boys.

Posted by Tex Scam @ 9:49 AM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

LET FLO GO! Flozell has been over rated for years. Don't spend the money on him and use one of the 1st round picks on a tackle.

Posted by Jason @ 12:27 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Can we officially retire the, "...Then package Bobby Carpenter, Marcus Spears, and Anthony Fasano to Miami" conversation. Bill knows he missed on those picks, so why the hell would he want those guys? He's trying to improve the Dolphins, not the Cowboys!?

I the idea: "Hudson Houck coached the Dolphins O-Line last year and today the cut OT LJ Shelton. Could the Cowboys sign Shelton, let Flo go and use Shelton as insurance in case Free or Mcquistan do not work out?"

Sounds reasonable? If Flo won't sign a team friendly deal than I think you have to have faith in starting your bench players. The current NFL with salary cap and parity means you cannot over pay a guy or you really put your team in a hole.

P.S. Captcha is the bastard child of Ram's fan and Redskin's fan...

Posted by 210 @ 12:37 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

Wow he said quenton grooves can replace marcus spears in our defense. Did you forget we run a 3-4?? Groves is only 250 and an outside linebacker. I do agree with some of the things but with all that drafting makes the team too young. We are in postion to win now you can never predict how a rookie will do in thier first season. I like getting Bernard Berrian in free agency.We keep dependable players like Hamlin, Barber,Flo, and Fasano, add proven players in free agency (florence/Gay,berrian) then draft players who can contribute but dont have to immediately start.
If WR is taken care of in free agency it would make our draft so much more flexible. We can get RB AND CB in round one and maybe in rd2 we can go DT or ILB or if JJ wants Mcfadden. He can work something out hopefully trading (spears,carp) would be involved. CB is deep and DT is solid.Okam's stock is falling. Who knows what can happen this draft is really talented.

Posted by Lee Smith @ 12:52 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

The market price for Flozell will be too high for an ageing, pretty good but flawed player who consistently leads the team in penalties. The Cowboys could tag him as transitional, and offer him about 2 million less than franchise LOTs. Safeties are cheaper, so no tag will be needed to sign Hamlin long term. However, the ultimate puzzle is SS Roy Wms. His salary will be nearly 7 million, far too much for a Safety who plays only on 1st downs and short yardage, because he can't cover receivers. But to cut him is to incur a cap hit of about 4 million. I'd cut him because he stopped improving and began regressing three years ago.

Posted by CowboysFanInNYC @ 5:28 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

For all of you who don't think we should keep Flo':
Would you feel comfortable with McQuistan or Free or anybody other than Flo' on this team going up against the likes of Osi or the Eagle's pass rush twice a year? Yes, Flo' was a problem with the penalties, but the benefits of keeping Tony off his back far outweigh those things.

Posted by Willy Henderson @ 11:19 PM Tue, Feb 12, 2008

I'm with 210 and CowboysFan InNYC,
We have the core for a championship run. We need Flo, with all of his false starts is still one of the best in the league and I DO NOT want to risk not having him
protecting Tony's blind side next year. Get CB and backup RB thruogh the draft.